Need Faster Hole Shot

XcellR8

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Re: Need Faster Hole Shot

Originally posted by XcellR8:<br />
Originally posted by Stillfishing:<br /> No crane needed! No boat shop needed!<br /><br />Chock your trailer wheels. Put a trolley jack under your skeg, with a block of wood in between. Loosen the bolts (remove top bolts) and gently jack motor till holes line up. <br /><br />If the hydraulic trim tends to swing the motor out while you're jacking, then tie a line around the leg, feed it under the boat, tighten it and secure it to the trailer winch leg.<br /><br />It's a fairly common method of adjusting motor height on a transom. When you've done it once, you'll see how easy it is.
Why do you only remove the the top bolts (don't the bottom ones need to be re-located as well?)?
 

ivar

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Re: Need Faster Hole Shot

Originally posted by XcellR8:<br />Why do you only remove the the top bolts (don't the bottom ones need to be re-located as well?)?
The bottom holes are usually slotted, so you just need to loosen them. <br />I used the car jack the last time I raised a motor, the jack had a convenient slot at the top, which fit the fin on the motor perfectly.
 

XcellR8

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Re: Need Faster Hole Shot

Originally posted by ivar:<br />
Originally posted by XcellR8:<br />Why do you only remove the the top bolts (don't the bottom ones need to be re-located as well?)?
The bottom holes are usually slotted, so you just need to loosen them. <br />I used the car jack the last time I raised a motor, the jack had a convenient slot at the top, which fit the fin on the motor perfectly.
I just looked at mine and on the motor plate there are five mounting holes for the top and five for the bottom. I also noticed that if I was to raise it up a hole then the metal edge of the transom may get in the way as it is not flush with the transom. Is this normal or will it create a problem?<br /><br />Do you need a website to be able to post a picture (I tried clicking on the image buttom but it prompted me for a URL)?
 

umblecumbuz

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XcellR8: I also noticed that if I was to raise it up a hole then the metal edge of the transom may get in the way as it is not flush with the transom.
I'm trying to picture this setup in my mind. A lot of transoms with a rolled top edge have it cut away where the motor mounts, so that the motor can be raised if needed. Guess yours isn't?
 

XcellR8

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Re: Need Faster Hole Shot

Originally posted by Stillfishing:<br />
XcellR8: I also noticed that if I was to raise it up a hole then the metal edge of the transom may get in the way as it is not flush with the transom.
I'm trying to picture this setup in my mind. A lot of transoms with a rolled top edge have it cut away where the motor mounts, so that the motor can be raised if needed. Guess yours isn't?
No, how do I post a picture?
 

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A photo has to be hosted on a website somewhere, then you post the url link here.<br /><br />There are many free image hosting sites.<br />photobucket.com<br />imagestation.com<br />myfishingpictures.com<br /><br />and many more.
 

XcellR8

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Originally posted by roscoe:<br /> A photo has to be hosted on a website somewhere, then you post the url link here.<br /><br />There are many free image hosting sites.<br />photobucket.com<br />imagestation.com<br />myfishingpictures.com<br /><br />and many more.
Thanks, as soon as I get a chance I'll take some pics and post them under a new thread (when I first posted I wasn't sure if I should start a new thread or ask under this one since it appeared mean15 and myself had the same questions).
 

the rebel

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Re: Need Faster Hole Shot

hey mean15, there are some good tips on this thread, I am going through the same thing on my 16' aluminum bass boat. Basically get your set up maxed out then change prop pitch to get your WOT rpm to max(5500). If I am not mistaken, and you prop gurus help me out, Raker props have been notorious for a slower hole shot trade-off to get more top end. My bass buddies have always preached that to me, but I have never run a Raker prop. Is that true? BWJ
 

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Raker props have been notorious for a slower hole shot trade-off to get more top end. My bass buddies have always preached that to me, but I have never run a Raker prop. Is that true? BWJ<br />
Absolutely, positively, 100% true!<br /><br />On rigs that are not set up properly.
 

walleyehed

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Raker props have been notorious for a slower hole shot trade-off to get more top end. My bass buddies have always preached that to me, but I have never run a Raker prop. Is that true? BWJ<br />
I don't run a pad type hull, but I have 2 Rakers and neither have given bad hole-shot. I "have" found they work best at the surface.
 

the rebel

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Dhadley and walleyehed, I am not downing Raker props by any means, just asking for confirmation. as far as set-up, I take it you mean getting the proper height on the transom and set back on the jack plate. That is very well worth doing as I am finding out on my rig. walleyehed, are you talking about getting the prop to the surface at launch or full trim? <br /><br /> Now, is the reason the Rakers have more top end due to less slippage than other brand(or type) props? This is the theory I'm told. Is that BS? BWJ
 

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I posted this on another thread but the topic and my opinion are the same:<br /><br />" These conversations always make me confused. When we are talking about "hole Shot" and conceding, and accepting, that "holes" are OK. They are just a fact of nature in boat performance, and should be accepted as that. Therefore we need a two speed transmission at the least. One low gear (prop) to climb out of the "hole" and the second higher gear (prop) to attain the top speed and economy. Sound a bit nuts? "<br /><br />"DHadley suggested that you look at the entire set up first (I agree), and that included the WOT RPMs and Speed. ..... If the engine is too low the "Hole" would be deeper, and if the prop was not correct, then the performance would suffer. However, let's not accept the hole as unavoidable!"<br /><br />"What Lubedude did not tell you here is that he went up in pitch after ELIMINATING the "Hole". The acceleration to plane time was about half, even with the higher pitch prop (23 up to 25)." <br /><br />"Look at the entire set up - even the boat attitude. Why choose a gear (prop) to climb the hill when you can run on a level road? Not to mention smoothing the road out in the process. Sometimes solutions are so simple we do not want to accept them. Gas is not getting cheaper so why not look at a more efficient set up." Take a look at trim tabs. <br /><br />We make Smart Tabs and our position is simple get the best set up you can and then we have a money back guaranty that says Smart Tabs or Mobster Tabs will cut the time to plane significantly (30% to 50%), Reduce the bow rise on take off by at least 50%, improve acceleration by at least 10%, eliminate porpoising, improve ride, and handling and add 2 to 40 MPH at the top end. This guaranty is posted on this site. We have never needed to send out the first check.
 

the rebel

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I'm looking into trim tabs now. Optimizing my set-up before I go for the tabs, I may not need them. Good theory though, eliminate the hole, utilize taller gear for more MPH, while still jumping up on top of the water. BWJ
 

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Big White;<br /><br />No matter how good your set up is it will improve noticably with trim tabs / Smart Tabs. The hole shot is only 10% of the benefits. The list is long and hard to believe unless you try them.
 

walleyehed

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I have John's Tabs on mine....they do exactly what is claimed. My bow raises very little if any and stays on plane about 4-5mph slower than it did without them. Totally eliminated my chinewalk and with 150hrs on them this year, I have ZERO complaints.<br />I had spent some time working with my set-up, and improved it enough I had handling issues due to the HP and the hull design. Nauticus tabs fixed that issue and added many other benefits I never considered...no slow-speed wander, slowed my troll speed by about 6-8/10ths....just a great product.
 

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One more question about 'Hole Shots", especially in these days of cheap gas. Why is it necessary to have the "shot" to get the boat on plane. Who says going like a "bat out of hell" to climb out of the "hole" is the way the boat should perform, regardless of how fast it occurs?<br /><br />For all of you who think your "hole Shot" is OK, try this. Accelerate slowly to plane, as if your aging mother in law was riding in the back seat. Are you "mushing" along with the bow pointing to the stars?<br /><br />If you install trim tabs you can accelerate to plan at any speed you want with minimal bow rise and improved visibility. AND it is a lot easier on the gas.<br /><br />Sorry for being a nag but trim tabs and Smart Tabs are one of the most misunderstood performance products.
 

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Re: Need Faster Hole Shot

During our smaller tournmennts we all launch at the same time,so first on plane gets out there quicker,Nauti am working on my setup now and then later prop im interested in the tabs but i want everthing else is right take a look at my thread 175 prop and see what you think.
 

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Ron G;<br /><br />I understand the process, that is the reason for our MOBster Tabs name for the bass boat population. The by line under the name in the Logo is "Steal The Hole". Just trying to have some fun in this business.<br /><br />The trim tabs will give you a much quicker "Hole Shot" (ther I go using that term) Acceleration both to plane and to speed. Unlike helm controlled trim tabs which can not be retracted as fast as some bass boats will plane Smart Tabs and Mobster Tabs come up automatically from the water pressure, therefore you do not run the risk of pushing the bow down once the boat is up.<br /><br />I will look at your other thread.
 

the rebel

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Originally posted by nautiJohn:<br /> Big White;<br /><br />No matter how good your set up is it will improve noticably with trim tabs / Smart Tabs. The hole shot is only 10% of the benefits. The list is long and hard to believe unless you try them.
Right on. I understand fully the benefits of Smart Tabs and have put that on my list of upgrades to my rig. Coincidentally, thanks for the input about trim tabs(Smart tabs), seems like 99% of the people that I try to explain these to don't realize what they will do for their boat. Therefore won't even consider them for all the benefits they provide, even though their rigs exhibit all the syptoms(problems) that smart tabs potentially correct. BWJ
 
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