Need gimbal bearing help!

maxum3300

Cadet
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Messages
11
Hello all, I have been boating for many years but just joined this forum today in hopes of geeting some answers to my gimbal bearing problems.

Let me start by describing my boat. I have a 2003 Maxum 3300 SCR with twin 5.7L carb Merc's with Bravo III outdrives. I purchased the boat new in the spring of 2004. I didnt even know what a gimbal bearing was until spring of last year when I started the boat up for my spring decommissioning cruise and heard a grwling coming from my port engine. After having the local mechanic come listen to it he told me it was the gimbal bearing going bad and would need to be replaced. He recommended that since the boat had to come out of the water for this that both engines be done at the same time as well as the bellows. So thats what I did. I had the boat pulled and had all this work done. The boat goes back in the water and all is grand.

Keep in mind that only one motor was making this noise but had both done anyway. About a month later one of the bearings (not sure if it was the port or starboard engine) starting making noise again. I told the mechanic and he said "Well i used Sierra bearings and not OEM Merc berings so maybe it was a faulty bearing." So he pulled the boat again and replaced the one bearing with a Merc bearing and relaunched the boat. 2 weeks later the other bearing started making noise again as well. I told him about it and he said "Thats odd, what are the chances of having 2 bad Sierra bearings?" So he pulls the boat out again and replaces the other bearing with a Merc bearing.

2 months goes by and everything is fine until one day I start the boat and guess what? You got it. The port bearing is making that growling noise. Well by now its Memorial Day weekend and he is so booked up that he cant get to it for about a month. By this time now the starboard bearing is growling too.

He pulls the boat and we examine the bellows for water but there is none yet the bearings are rusted. So he replaced both bearings yet again and greased the crap out of both of them and put everything back together. It was good for a couple of months but by the end of last season they were both growling again.

Well now its spring time again and I want to get the boat ready and these bearings are going to need to be replaced AGAIN. The mechanic has been great as I paid him one time to do the job and he has replaced them several times now at no charge but this is getting out of hand. I dont expect him to work for free but at the same time I know he doesnt enjoy replacing these bearings every couple of months. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions as to what could be causing this or what to look for? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

bruceb58

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 5, 2006
Messages
30,587
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

If water is hitting them, it can come from the inside the boat as well so has there been anytime where your bilge has filled with water high enough to reach the drive shaft level?

Did your mechanic check the alignment of your drive? This could cause the bearing to wear faster but usually just causes your coupler to fail.
 

maxum3300

Cadet
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Messages
11
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

No never that much water in the bilge. No more than the typical inch or so from draining the blocks that the bilge pump can't pick up. As for alignment, I believe this last time he did use a tool to align it, from the outside, however he swears that if the bearing is pressed in properly that the alignment isn't necessary. He also said that if the bearing wasn't aligned the drive would not go back on.
 

zbnutcase

Commander
Joined
Sep 19, 2009
Messages
2,055
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

The Sierra bearings come from the same plant as Mercurys, so we can rule that out. I've installed MANY of them w/o problems. Gotta be a lube/alignment/moisture issue.
 

maxum3300

Cadet
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Messages
11
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

I can't recall if the bearings were rusted or not when they came out but my question is, if water is getting in there where is it going once the drive is pulled because as I said there is no water in the u joint bellows.
 

Quack Addict

Cadet
Joined
May 18, 2009
Messages
25
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

As for alignment, I believe this last time he did use a tool to align it, from the outside, however he swears that if the bearing is pressed in properly that the alignment isn't necessary. He also said that if the bearing wasn't aligned the drive would not go back on.

ANY mechanic worth his salt would put an alignment shaft in before horsing a drive around to try to install it. Aligning a gimbal bearing takes about 30 seconds assuming the coupler isn't tweaked.

I'm not familiar with the Bravo drives but the Alpha drives I work around all have grease zerk fittings that come up through the gimbal housing. Do you have grease zerks on the gimbal housing grease port, or at least water tight plugs in them? No zerks or plugs would be a shot of water straight to the heart of the bearing.

The last Mercury gimbal bearing I bought was a "lube for life" design. No provision for lubing it. They supplied a tamper-proof block-off plug for the gimbal housing grease port to prevent a mechanic from attempting to apply grease and possibly cracking the gimbal housing casting from the pressure the grease gun would exert.
 

Juniinc

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Jan 16, 2010
Messages
221
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

I believe there is one on a BravoIII.
water entering at the grease zerk fitting slowly,,,,
most likely a faulty check ball.
 

bruceb58

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 5, 2006
Messages
30,587
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

however he swears that if the bearing is pressed in properly that the alignment isn't necessary. He also said that if the bearing wasn't aligned the drive would not go back on.
That is bull carp! He doesn't know what he is talking about. You aren't aligning the bearing, you are aligning the engine to the bearing so the install of the bearing means absolutely nothing.
 

maxum3300

Cadet
Joined
Apr 21, 2010
Messages
11
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

I believe there is one on a BravoIII.
water entering at the grease zerk fitting slowly,,,,
most likely a faulty check ball.

You are absolutely correct. The Bravo III does have a grease fitting and he greased the crap out of the bearing. I asked the same question, could water be coming in through the zerk? He said yes its possible but there is no water in the bellows. That is the next step to install the new greaseless bearings with the zerk block off plug to eliminate this possibility.

Can someone please describe the proper alignment procedure when replacing gimbal bearings? He used a long rod with a tapered end on it and slid it in and out until the rod could move freely. Is this the correct method?
 

bruceb58

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 5, 2006
Messages
30,587
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

It is not tapered but has various diameters in steps. If he checked the alignment, then that is not your problem.
 

Juniinc

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Jan 16, 2010
Messages
221
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

home made alignment tool?
 

keola_24

Recruit
Joined
Oct 22, 2007
Messages
4
Re: Need gimbal bearing help!

home made alignment tool?

here is what i think. 'i recently pulled my leg because of noise and water in my bilge. i thought it wasw a leaking bellows but to my surprise the bellows was very clean. i noticed that my steering bushing (and shaft) were corroded and so the water ws leaking into the transom and falling onto me coupler and bearing from the inside of the boat by the steering arm, check it out.
 
Top