Need Help Guys!!!

[teaser]

I have a 1991 Evinrude 200 VRO, I lost the charging system and the tach as I posted about a week ago and was told it was probably the regulator/rectifier. I have been to 3 dealers and have had NO luck! The reg./rec. I have in my engine sits over the water jacket as to cool it down, it has 2 yellow wires - one with a gray tracer, a gray wire, a red wire and a purple wire. Here's the problem ... I was told by 2 of the dealers that the new unit has been modified by the company and they did away with the purple wire. I was told by one dealer that the purple wire actually powers up the unit and the new unit should have the purple wire as well as the others, but the last dealer I went to told me Bombardier has modified the unit and HAS done away with the purple wire. So needless to say I bought the unit from them and now the boat won't start at all. I get power at the dash on all the gauges but when I turn the key I get nothing, nil, nadda, zilch! I put the old unit back on and it fired right up ... still no charge or tach but first turn of the key I had an engine that wanted to go! After this I put the new unit back in and exactly the same as the first time, power everywhere but the engine don't start. It's like trying to start the motor with it in gear so you know there is no noise at all coming from the engine. Guys is the purple wire necessary or not? I'm about to blow a gasket over this, the new unit cost me $225.00 and its about as useful as a rock! Can anyone give me any help out there as to what is wrong, the wire delema or where I can find a unit exactly as the first one with the purple wire? HELP!!!!!

 

[ob]

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teaser,I got a similar setup for my 96' 70 hp Evinrude some months back.Replaced the reg/rec and Bombardier did away with the purple wire on the new unit.The purple wire is keyed 12v source to the reg/rec and since the red wire is a constant 12v source to it they changed internal wiring where the purple wire is no longer needed.<br /><br />I have had no problems with mine at all.It was also the $225 dollar one.I have no idea why your new one would not allow your engine to start other than the possbility that it has an internal short or case ground.If you have an ohm meter check the red wire on reg/rec to the case of the unit with the unit removed.Should be no continuity.

 

[clanton]

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You dont need the purple wire. The regulator should not have anything to do with starter system. Does the red lead termial from regulator fit the starter solenoid correctly and is the small yellow/red lead on solenoid tight. There should be 3 red leads on starter solenoid, one of these carrys voltage to the main switch, sometimes you do not a get good connection, when you stack the three connectors. Any difference in New regulator red lead termial from old regulator.

 

[teaser]

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all wires have been cleaned so all the connections are great, all are making good contact as I have a brass nut between each of the 3 wires on the solenoid so they don'tstack up weird or out of sorts. Also no difference on the new reg.lead as to the old one. What was the purpose of the purple wire?

 

[ob]

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It was keyed 12v to reg/rec.It is no longer used as the red wire is constant 12v source.You need to ohm the one you have now.

 

[teaser]

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Hi ob, I tested the unit with a ohm meter and there is no continuity. Think the new unit could be a bad one?

 

[ob]

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When I purchased my new one at the local John/Rude dealer their mechanic told me that they have gotten bad ones before right out of the box.Now,depending on your repor with your dealer since it is customary that no exchanges or refunds are honored on electrical parts will dictate whether they will supply you with a new one at no charge.Understandibly people can hook these things up wrong and then the dealer would be eating it,so it is sort of a shaded area.The fact that you say you can install your old one with no problem in starting the motor leads me to believe that the new one that you purchased is either faulty or you are overlooking something on your terminal block when installing the new one.The only lead on the terminal block that you will not be connecting a lead to from the new reg/rec is the purple wire.All else is the same and as Clanton states should have nothing to do with the starter circuit unless the new unit has an internal fault and is stealing voltage from your ignition source to the starter solenoid.

 

[teaser]

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Hi ob, I am very anal when I do something like changing a part in my motor, just so that I can put it back the original condition and placement of wires. I take pictures of everything! I take a wire off ... I take a picture, I take out a bolt ...I take a picture. I keep it all on my computer, as reference I print all the pics before removal or installation of anything. I went over the engine 4 times to see if I overlooked anything and came up empty. I know its a gray area with the dealer for the replacement of the part and I will try that route next. Thanks for the help!

 

[ob]

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Good luck teaser.Keep us posted on your findings.

 

[teaser]

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Wll do! Thanks again guys!

 

[clanton]

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I say the starter should work, even if you cut the wires off the reg, or the reg was burnt toast, unless it discharged the battery. I dont have a 91 manual, I looked at a 90 and 94 Factory manual wiring diagram. Im looking at wiring diagram now. No continuity on which wires? Does the yellow/red wire at solenoid have power when key is turned to start position, with new regulator installed?

 

[ob]

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Clanton ,I agree that the engine should crank over with the wires cut or reg/rec removed,however the red wire from the reg/rec that connects to the terminal block is entering the engines 12v battery source.If there is an internal failure within the reg/rec I can see where it could steal some voltage from the ignition circuit to starter solenoid and apparently that what it seems to be doing since the engine will at least crank with the old one installed yet will not with the new one.The whole situation is wierd to say the least.

 

[Hooty]

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Easy enough to figger out, just disconnect it and see if the engine spins or not.<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty

 

[teaser]

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Hey guys I'm back! I am up and running!!!!!!! You will not believe this, one of the orange wires(one with the tracer) on the powerpack had gotten pinched when it was re-installed and it was just enough to pop the wire inside the insulation, I cut it and popped on a splicer, re-installed the powerpack and when I turned the key if fired right up!<br />I just want to thank all of you guys for the extended effort you's all put forth for me, I couldn't have done it without you's!<br /><br />Thanks Again for the expertise!!!!!

 

[ob]

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teaser,Glad to see you got her up and going.If the splice you installed on that lead is not a solid crimp type I would recommend soldering that mutha and using some heatshrink so it doesn't try to oxidize itself to a bad connection.