Need help making a sweet stereo system

jserb

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Just like the title says, im wondering which products to use and what i exactly need. I have a 30ft CC and I plan on putting 2 subs, 2 6X9's and 4 6.5's.....so what kind of amps do i need? what kind of speakers have you all have the best luck with? Its a CC so the speakers and subs will have to be water resistant. I was planning on putting the AMP's in the cuddy so i will most likly buy standard car Amps for that but I need your help and input on whatever you would do. My question to all of you is do you think this system will rock on a 30ft CC. I need help with type of CD player (with i pod connection), speakers ( i hear JL audio is good, but expensive), and amps......


Thanks guys!
 

scipper77

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

Here are some of my personal preferences for designing a clean sounding system...

No 6X9's as they are not round they distort more at there limits (non linear cone movement). these speakers are designed for the back dash of a sedan. Have you EVER seen an oval speaker any where else? I'm sure someone here has, but my point still stands.

A smaller sub with high power handling will distort less than a larger sub. again the larger cone tends to flex more causing distortion and the amount of power required for a larger sub is much greater than the difference in cone size would make it seem. besides who has room in a boat for huge subs?

Look at frequency response of all components. Consider the equalizer on the head unit to be the fine tuning. The right time to "equalize" your system is when you are selecting the amps and speakers. Subs, mid range speakers and tweeters should sound like they are working together and not stand out from each other.

2 things you may want to consider doing
1. is going to your local stereo shop's speaker room and trying different speaker combinations to figure out what sounds good to you.

2. this sounds silly, but go to a luxury car type dealer and listen to the radio of one of these cars with the dulux sound system. These cars don't have GIANT subs in them or all kinds of crazy amps. just quality components that are professionally matched to work together and they sound great together.

I really hope that this helps you make a great sounding system!!
 

jevery

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

I'd call Crutchfield and talk directly to a rep. I think few are more experienced in putting together great sounding systems. Sounds like a lot of money and draw on the electrical. Better beef up your electrical and storage capacity.
 

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Good advice so far from the previous posters. I'm old school I guess, but I've had good luck, & good sound, with budget systems from Jensen, Pioneer, & Kenwood, components. Kenwood seems to have a nice clean solid punch to it's Bass. I also heard Polk speakers with a Kenwood stereo, one time and they sounded phenomenol, but they're not cheap.
 

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

i usually go the the auto junk yard and pick up a unit there. besure to install the water proof cones behind the speakers. the hardest part i have found it getting wiring in certain places, especially on a CC.
 

jserb

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

well for the 6X9's unfortunitly yes i agree i personally have never liked them and to be honest think they look hidious, however the boat previously had 2 of them thus i need to replace those 2, im adding everything eles thus i can cut my custom holes. as for the subs...are you sugesting 10'' instead of 12'' i agree that it most likly would sound better, im just trying to confirm this is what you were refferencing and not a 8'' sub.....


Also, so what kind of Amp POWER 400 or 600 Watt for my 6 speakers, andddd what kind of amp should i get for my 2 10'' subs???


Guys, if you wanna spec out an entire sound system please do, ill buy whatever you pick out. My stereo is in your hands, you can custom make one and not have to pay for it!!!! ( unfortunitly it will be going in my boat not yours!)


Like i said i can use normal car AMPs, but need water resistant speakers, and a water resistant radio, hook me up guys!!!

Keep price vs. quality in mind= most bang for your buck
 

Silvertip

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

Just a few questions that you apparently aren't thinking about.

1) You plan to power this system with what?
2) What sort of power plant does the boat have?
3) Related to #2 is what is the engine alternator power output?
4) Do you have an on-board charger (as in shore power)
 

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

Well good quyestions.... I have twin evinrude 2003 250's and I will have 2 batteries on the boat, on is designated only for the stereo...no shore power...


Here is what i was thinkink thus far...

4- 6.5 Infinity marine speakers (RMS 70W), 2- 6X9 infinity speakers (RMS 100W), and im not sure with the subs yet, but i was thinking JL audio or Alpine amps, im assuming i need 2 amps..... i would like 10'' subs.....
 

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

Personally, I would put a charger on the boat, b/c I wouldnt trust those 2 batteries with that kind of system. Those 2 amps are gonna draw some juice. Maybe you are already planning for something.....go on
 

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

Well good quyestions.... I have twin evinrude 2003 250's and I will have 2 batteries on the boat, on is designated only for the stereo...no shore power...


Here is what i was thinkink thus far...

4- 6.5 Infinity marine speakers (RMS 70W), 2- 6X9 infinity speakers (RMS 100W), and im not sure with the subs yet, but i was thinking JL audio or Alpine amps, im assuming i need 2 amps..... i would like 10'' subs.....

IMO, infinity speakers are fine, but not midrange punchy, Jensen, Pioneer, even Sony, and others are more so. 10" Subs should be fine. Those amps are good, but so are Kenwood (but they're expensive), maybe less then the others you mentioned though?

Pyle (driver), Rockford (Fosgate), JBL, or Polk, or even Pioneer, would be my choice for speakers, I don't care for Kenwood speakers, and have no use at all for Clarion speakers. I just noticed, E-bay has a lot to choose from.
 

jserb

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

yeah i have heard Kenwood makes a good amp....the infinity's are over all pretty good speakers from what i hear? the nice thing is they make a marine 6X9 that i need. Any sugestions on radio/CD/I pod player?>
 

scipper77

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I would personally consider 1 good 10" sub. Actually I might even try a pair of 8's. The only real problem with the 8's is that they don't hit the really low frequencies quite as nice as a bigger speaker. If you really have to have 2 10's consider a capacitor. maybe consider one anyways.

I promise you that you don't need all that bass to have a great sound. And don't trust the guys at the speaker stores, they all dream of building some competition winning system and think that only the most expensive equipment is acceptable.

The amp for a good 10" sub will be based on the sub. They all have different power ratings. I've run 2 10's off of a 100 watt amp and it sounded pretty good as an overpowered speaker will distort more than an underpowered speaker.

I know you want to hear a specific setup recommendation but this really is a complicated task to get right. That's why I suggested going to a car dealer and hearing a professionally matched package. I promise you if you buy the "best" individual components without regard for the way they sound together you will just have a really expensive set up that doesn't sound good together.

If your going to take the time to rewire your boat, at least take the time match the speakers based on listening to them.

Amp selection should match the speakers requirements.
 

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I think there are some issues with your plan. If you have twin Evinrudes, don't you have one battery for each engine? If not, why not? Then there is your stereo system power which you suggest will draw 2 amps. I think that number would suffice for a car stereo head unit but certainly not for the loading you intend to add. You need as a minimum, one additional deep cycle (not just a marine starting battery) solely for you sound system. Although the engine can be used with a battery switch or isolator to charge the extra battery, it is very likely that battery will not be fully charged unless you run wide open for very long distances - hence the need for an on-board or portable charger. If you really intend to run this off one of the start batteries, you will at one time or another end up with a dead battery.
 

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

I'll throw in my $.02

I would go with 1- 12" sub running off a 3-400WRMS mono (or bridged 2ch) amp, 4 coaxes running off a 120-160WRMS 4 channel amp and a set of cheap 6x9's running off the deck. I use component speakers for all my vehicles,,, but don't see the need in a boat. Heck, I've never had a stereo (or radio) in any of my boats,,, I like the peace and quite...

MDF is the best material for a sub enclosure, but it'll drink water like a sponge so you will need to seal it up,,, fiberglassed exterior?

For the stereo - 2 (or more?) group 31 deep cycle batteries running off a battery isolator. Make sure to keep the stereo off the engine batteries or you could find yourself with a dead engine.

Just promise me one thing,,, your not going to be the guy I heard for an hour,,, idling down the lake,,, cranking up,,, "The Best of Barry Manilow and Abba" :rolleyes:
 

itsonlymoney

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

In not trying to become too complicated I'll try to explain the problems involved in setting up a "sweet system." First, as Silvertip explains, your power source to the amps required will be lacking if you intend using large enough amps to power subs due to the O/Bs not supplying enough accessory amperage.

There are some calculations you can make to attempt an install, I just don't believe your going to meet your expectations unless you can supply at minimum 30 or 40amps to your amplifiers although this power requirement would be an exception at lower volumes.

Some boats systems are designed for higher additional current loads (Refirdgeration, Anchor windless, etc. for example), but most smaller boats are not. Luckily, most manufacturers design their boats' electrical systems with a reserve capacity that is well-suited to supplying power for added components but within reason with the average supplied current.

Look at the O/B's aternator's specified electrical output. This will tell you how much current (expressed in amperes or amps, for short) the alternator is capable of producing.

Your boats alternator ampere rating determines how powerful an amplifier you can install. Multiply the ampere rating by 40%, and you'll get a rough idea of how much reserve current capacity your boat's system has. Next, you'll need to calculate the approximate current draw of the amplifier you're considering installing.

To calculate the current draw of an amplifier, multiply the number of channels by the RMS watts per channel (a 2 channel amp rated at 300 watts RMS per channel would be 600 watts). Double it to account for amplifier inefficiency
(600 watts X 2 = 1200 watts), then divide by the average output Voltage of an alternator, 13.8 volts (1200 divided by 13.8 = 87 amps).

Since the average music signal requires about 1/3rd of the average power in a test tone, divide by 3 (87 amps divided by 3 = 29 amps). The result is the amplifier's approximate average current draw.

A quick way to ballpark an amplifier's current draw is to divide the total fuse value of the amp by two. For amplifiers with multiple fuses, the rating of all fuses provided with the amp must be added together. This will likely produce a significantly higher estimate than using the proper formula. Although inaccurate, this will err on the side of safety.

Finally, compare the amplifier's approximate current draw to your boats reserve current capacity to determine if the electrical system can support the amplifier.

If all those numbers are a bit much, here's a simpler way to think about it: an alternator capable of producing 65 amperes is usually adequate for systems up to 270 X 2 watts RMS. (For Example) A compact car with a 35-amp alternator can accommodate around 150 X 2 watts of power, while a Sport Utility with a 145-amp alternator can handle a 600 X 2 watt system.

If you want more power than your alternator can service, you will have to consider having your alternator rebuilt for higher output or invest in a high-output aftermarket alternator.

Installing a second battery won't help. That only allows you to play your stereo for long periods with the engine off. But, remember that any system playing at one-third volume is drawing considerably less current than the same system at three-quarter volume, and may not need a charging system upgrade if the volume levels are kept reasonable.

There are other ways to adjust the design of your installation using various wiring techniques. This gets a little bit mor complicated.
 

scipper77

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I agree with the above post. This is why I recommend focusing on matching the speakers for good sound and using a single/smaller sub. In the audio buisiness be careful not to confuse louder with better.
 

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

Hi, my wife and I recently purchased our first boat, a seldom used 2003 Larson SEI 190. We want to upgrade our sound system and I am seeking similar advice to the person that started this thread.

We have purchaed an Alpine head unit, the IDA-x100m, and want to upgrade our speakers to Rockford Fosgate M262 6.5in. The boat currently has only 2 speakers just above the floor of the seating area. We want to put two more speakers up front under each of the bow seats.

My wife knows a little more about the specs of a sound system than I do and thinks that we will need a sub (probably a bazooka tube) under the bench seat and also an amp to power the speakers. I was wondering if some of you think we will need the amp too.

The radio has specs of 50w x 4 and the speakers we are looking at have 150 w peak and 75w RMS.

The boat has a cranking battery and also a second battery to run the trolling motor that mounts on the bow. Should I look at an additional deep cycle battery and the charging system to be safe? We will mainly be on a lake that is nearby with our group of friends that all own pontoons but I don't want to have starting problems. I think there is nothing worse than having a boat and having problems with it.

Looking forward to the feedback and thanks for your time. Hope it is okay that I hijacked this thread, know some boards for sports and things get mad when new guys start brand new topics. Thanks
 

Wildcatin

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

What is the normal amp draw for a decent stereo with 4 regular speakers. Nothing fancy, just functional????
 

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What is the normal amp draw for a decent stereo with 4 regular speakers. Nothing fancy, just functional????

That is hard to answer without knowing some particulars , including the load , volume , source material , rated output , etc...

Given the transient nature of music ( variable amplitude and frequency ..) , it is difficult to arrive at a meaningful measurement or even an accurate prediction .

Classical and light rock / pop will be less of a load , heavy metal / rap is bass heavy and needs more power .

For a " deck and 4 " , 5-8 amps @ 12.5Vdc would be a good ballpark figure .

Throw an amp or 2 , along with a couple of 10" - 12" subs into the mix , and this figure goes up exponentially , especially if you like the whole lake to hear your tunes . ;)
 

Wildcatin

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Re: Need help making a sweet stereo system

So I take a 10 amp fuse will do it for what I asked.......I didnt do so good in math in high school.........lol
 
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