Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

adt2

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We splashed Buoy Scout, the Macomber 15 I've been building with my kids since mid-March, this morning at the local lake. Hull performed great - no leaks, no rattles, lots of compliments from onlookers.

The 1957 Johnson 35HP (RDE-19) I bought started up and ran, albeit a bit rough. After an hour or so of piddling around, we finally determined that we had some kind of issue (or issues) going on with the motor, and we reluctantly trailered the rig again and motored down the road to a local repair shop.

Long story short, the first thing the owner told us to do was to fix the free-spinning high-speed needle valve adjuster. He gave us a handful of new bushings, and we headed home to tinker. We removed the adjuster and the metal sleeve that holds it, dug out the old crud from the port, hosed it down with carb cleaner, and then reassembled it. We slid the adjuster shank through the metal sleeve, put three bushings on the adjuster, and then threaded the outer metal sleeve into the threaded port on the motor finger-tight.

Next, we threaded the high-speed adjuster clockwise until lightly seated. Then we tightened the metal sleeve (the outer part that the adjuster goes through - don't have my parts diagram so I don't know what it's called) wrench-tight, which appears to have solved one problem: the adjuster no longer spins freely (at one point this morning, the rattling motor caused the adjuster to fall completely off the motor and we had gas shooting out of the port).

Next, we backed the high-speed adjuster off 3 turns from lightly seated. We didn't adjust anything else from the way it had been this morning. Now, the motor will not fire. The electric starter spins it like mad, and hitting it with a dash of carb cleaner/starter fluid will cause it to fire, but it won't catch.

Now I've got wife, kids, and dad pacing around in their swimsuits wondering when we're going back to the lake for round 2. I know most of you are probably out on the water today, but on the off chance there are any lurkers, I could sure use some fast advice.
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

The "low speed" needle wants to be 1 1/4 turns open and the "high speed" needle wants to be 3/4 turns open (app.) That's a starting point only. You may need to fine tune it will it's running.
 

adt2

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Is that 3/4ths or 3-4 turns open on the high speed? Service manual says 3 turns open, so that's what we started with. Plan is to adjust while it's running but we can't get it running again.
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

3-4 turns open seems to much to me but if your Service Manual says 3-4 turns, then follow that. The high speed needle adjustment won't keep the motor from starting. The low speed circuit controls starting. You may have other issues. Check the spark on both cylinders. Pump the pressure tank? Is the cap tight on the tank?
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Great old motor you got there. Here's what you need adt2. Be sure to give the carb a proper rebuild and inspect the ignition for strong spark capable of jumping a 1/4" gap from each plug. Good luck. Holler if you get stuck.

http://www.marineengine.com/parts/v...ntage-evinrude-johnson/377025/37702500001.htm

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=167352

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/columns/max/24/index.cfm

http://www.outboard-boat-motor-repa...hnson 5.5 HP 1954-1964 Carburetor Tune-UP.htm (carb rebuild for slightly different model, but same basic steps)
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Finally got it started. It took two new spark plugs and some patient adjustment. Problem now is, the water pump does not appear to be pumping. I'm getting no spit out of the lower unit. Argh.
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

There should be a spray of water coming out the exhaust port. If not, shut it down.
 

adt2

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Does anybody know where the water pump impeller is on this thing? I went off and left my service manual at the office Friday.
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

You need to remove the lower unit to access the impeller.
 

adt2

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Yeah...that sounds like a job for the repair shop. Found a copy of the service manual on my computer and read up on the procedure and I'm not sure it's something I'm ready to tackle.
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Hi adt2. No way, changing the water pump is a simple, routine, DIY job that is meant to be done at the start of each season. In fact, you can get a new impeller here at iboats for about $20. Review this link again for how to do the job.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/columns/max/25/index.cfm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj1c4oYpHAw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTx_WtUpig&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY2HrEdp5vg
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Okay, I'll check out the links tomorrow. Thanks for the input. Maybe it's not as hard as the service manual makes it sound.
 

adt2

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Okay, y'all won. Sort of.

I got the lower unit off no problem (thankfully my motor has the little access window to remove the shaft coupler bolt). That's the good news. The bad news is, the water pump impeller looks great.
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So, next question: What else would cause the absence of the pee-stream at the back of the lower unit? This is my first old outboard (first outboard, period) and I'm not really sure where to go next (unless it's the repair shop, in which case I know right where that is).

Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Well, looks can be deceiving. While it is good that it is not in pieces, it may have lost its ability to pump water efficiently. To check, remove it from the housing and see if the fins still stick straight out to the sides like a starfish. If there is any curve in them, you'll want to replace it, which you may as well do any way now that you have it all apart. It only takes a little bit of wear to effect their ability, which is why your supposed to replace them every season. Also, now that you have the lower unit off, you should also check to see that the water passages are nice in clear within the powerhead itself. You can do it by hooking a garden hose to the copper water uptake pipe which should still be seated on the underside of the powerhead. With the motor off, turn the hose on med power and see if water starts to come pouring out of the main exhaust port. If it does, that's a good sign that the passages are clear. However, if the water back sprays on you there may be an obstruction some where. You can also use compressed air to help dislodge any debris that may have accumulated in the passages over the years. Don't give up yet. This all routine maintenance and there is no sense paying a shop $50+ to replace a $10 part. See the previous post(s) for instructions on how to install the new impeller. You can do it!
 

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Re: Need Help Quick! Motor Won't Fire

Impeller arms are holding their curved shape, so I'm going to go ahead and replace it while it's all disassembled. I also hooked up a hose to the water uptake pipe. Water came out like it was supposed to.

I guess I'll put it all back together and see if it works before trying something else. Maybe I dislodged something in the motor's guts.
 
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