Need Help With Chrysler 55

touvell

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Hello, All.<br /><br />I need some advice on getting a Chrysler 55 horse outboard running. I've been lurking around this board the last several days, and have tried several things, but it's still not running right. I've been going at it kind of hit & miss and wondered if anyone can tell me a more methodical way of finding the problem without spending a lot of money. Here are the specifics:<br /><br />Chrysler Model 557HF, S/N 6643 (from what I've read here this is a 1975 model, right? The guy that owned it before said it was a 1977 model. It's on a 1973 Charger 15' bow rider)<br /><br />When I first tried to start it (with new 87 octane 50:1 mix), it would fire off, but not run. It came with a different plug in each cylinder - one NGK B7HS and one Champion L82C - so I changed the plugs to Autolite 4092's gapped at .030. Advance Auto said these were the equivilent to Champion L4J. The old plugs didn't look too bad, but they were black and I figured it wouldn't hurt.<br /><br />Ok, It started after setting the idle mixture screw 1 turn out from seated. Had to back it out a little more to get it idling fairly well, but still a little rough. When throttled up, it stayed at "idle speed" until full throttle, where it run about "half speed", I would guess a couple thousand RPM (No tach on this boat) but missing badly. Pumping the bulb didn't seem to help. It did idle, although roughly, for several minutes, and started very easily.<br /><br />The carb looks extremely clean. I pulled it off and the bowl is shiny inside, and all the jets and stuff look clean. I sprayed some carb cleaner in it just to be sure. The float is level when you hold the carb upside down, too. and the float/needle valve seems to work ok - float up, no fuel, float down, fuel flows.<br /><br />Noticed that the fuel line was leaking a little around the coupling for the tank, and was very hard/dry, so I replaced it with a new fuel line and bulb.<br /><br />Yes, the tank vent is open. I even loosened the cap to be sure it was venting enough. I took the check ball out of the tank line, too. (See, I've learned a lot just lurking around here.)<br /><br />Started it up again, and didn't see any difference.<br /><br />Went to NAPA and picked up a can of Deep Creep. Put the old plugs back in it, but it wouldn't keep running long enough to treat it. Put the new plugs back in it, started it up, let it run for a couple minutes, sprayed about half a can in it before it died. Let it set 15 minutes, started it up. (smoke everywhere) I ran it until the smoke cleared, and it didn't seem to be doing any better, so I Deep Creeped it again. When I tried to restart it it wouldn't run long enough for the smoke to clear. Kept restarting and restarting, and finally got it running at about "half speed" again with the throttle wide open by hitting the choke every now and then. It would slow down then pick back up. After doing this about 8-10 times it kept running by itself.<br /><br />When it finally died after running about 5 minutes like this, it wouldn't start. It would fire off, but not keep running, just like when I first started. Full circle. It was geting dark, and I didn't want to disturb the neighbors anymore, so I quit for the night. Since it was getting dark I did look at the coils and spark plug wires for arcing, but didn't see any. The coils do have a little crack around them, just below the "shoulder" at the output end.<br /><br />Tomorrow night I'm going to pull the flywheel and clean/set the points. I don't have a timing tool, but read a post here that the correct position of the piston is .300 BTDC for setting the points, and I have a service manual on it for getting the point gap. Seems like I remember reading .020, but I'll check before doing it. How hard is it to get the flywheel off. It looks like you put a nut on the shaft and pop it with a hammer, but I'm guessing that it's not going to be that easy on a 30 year old motor. And do I really have to get some valve grinding compound and lap it before reintalling?<br /><br />I don't know what else to do. I don't have a compression guage, but may be able to find one. <br /><br />One more thing - on the advice I've read here, I've ordered a new water pump impeller, even though it's running water out the back when it's running.<br /><br />This is my first boat, but I used to be pretty handy with cars - about 25 years ago. I don't know much about 2 cycles. What do you all experts out there think I need to be looking for? Any and all help will be greatly, appreciated. Sorry for the long post, I wanted to try to give everyone as much information as I could.<br /><br />Dave
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Need Help With Chrysler 55

You are on the right track. The three best friends you can have are patience, Iboats, and a manual.<br /><br />Let us know how it goes.<br /><br />Bob
 

BHM7952

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My dealer Chrysler reference guide lists the 557HF 55 HP as a 1973. We closed our dealership and still have many parts and service literature for the Chrysler/Force engines. We have sold the factory service manual but I have the parts catalog. It is very helpful as it gives an exploded view of each item showing how they fit together, along with the correct part name and order number. 26 pages in very good condition, $6.00<br />Email: linda@nu-z.net
 

oldboat1

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Good post, Dave. If there is a crack, replace the coil. It sounds like you may have a partially clogged jet, though, and I think it would be worthwhile to take the carb off and clean out the jet. Make sure all openings are clear. Pulling the flywheel can be a pain. You can use a steering wheel puller when you get the nut off (which can be a problem in itself). When you reinstall, make sure the shaft is clean (Don't lubricate it), and that the key is in place -- then torque down hard. If the flywheel isn't tight enough, you will shear the key.
 

touvell

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Re: Need Help With Chrysler 55

Thanks for the quick replies.<br /><br />Bob_VT: I've found this forum to _very_ informative, and full of nice people willing to help with even the dumbest questions. Looks like a really good group of people. I got a Clymer service manual with the engine. Patience I'll have to work on.<br /><br />RetiredMan: I've already got a service manual for this engine. Being a '73 model makes sense, since the boat is a '73 model. I was going by a post I saw here that saying that HA=1970, HB=1971, ... HG=1976. I sent you an email about some parts.<br /><br />oldboat1: Is there a way to check the coils, and maybe seal them up if they're working OK? Just wondering. I hate to keep dumping money into this thing unless I know it's going to run. I figured that the flywheel would be a pain. They always make it look so easy in those manuals. I already took the carb off and it looks like new inside. I think somebody has already cleaned or rebuilt it trying to get this thing to run. Is the jet you're talking about the one that's oriented vertically directly above the plug in the center of the bowl. Everything looked sparkling clean inside the carb, but I still sprayed carb cleaner through everything that I could see.<br /><br />Thanks again for the help.<br /><br />Dave
 

touvell

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scotiany: What and where are the puddle valves? How do you clean them? What do they do?<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Dave
 

dmessy

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Have to agree with oldboat's response on the clogged jet. A mere spray with carb cleaner won't get the gum out thoughly. Suggest pulling carb, disassembly( note all setting 1st) and soaking jets, needle valve, seat, etc. in small bowl of carb cleaner or the such. Take your time in a well lit, ventilated area and inspect each orfice (magnifing glass?) well. Use compressed air to blow through any passages in the carb body after after the soak. Reassemble and run. Bet you a "told ya so" she'll run up WOT...keep us posted.<br /><br />Do this b4 getting into the electrics.
 

touvell

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Ok, dmessy & oldboat1. I'll pick up some card cleaner and do that this evening instead of trying to get the flywheel off.<br /><br />After all, you're willing to bet a "told ya so." :) <br /><br />I sure would like to get this thing running this weekend. I've set aside the long weekend to work on the boat.<br /><br />Thanks again,<br /><br />Dave
 

dmessy

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Another source of fuel related problems is the fuel pump itself. If you haven't rebuilt it( ie;changed the diapham)in the last few years, you should. It is really quite an easy job. When they get worn, you'll experience a poor starting/running motor that likes to die without provocation. Good luck and I will wish you he best ;)
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Like was stated before, a shot of carb cleaner won't get all the gum out and these motors are so sensitive, that a little blockage will cause a lot of trouble. Take the carb apart and let soak overnight in a good carb cleaner and then check everything and blow out everything. Put it back together and I'll double the "told ya so". Good luck and keep us posted.
 

scotiany

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The puddle valves on my engine. 1970 55 mod 554HA,are located under a vertical plate which is behind the control arm. It is just forward of the fuel pump assy. They can cause untold grief at idle and low speed. There are a couple of other posts about them here in this forum. Their function is to scavenge fuel at low speeds in order to keep comb. chamber from running rich. If they are carboned up,the lower spark plug will foul quite quickly.
 

touvell

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Wow, what a great bunch of people!<br /><br />OK, the carb is now disassembled (not completely, I didn't take out the choke and throttle plates, but I did remove the idle mixture screw, jet and the needle valve and the "whatever that tube is that screws in to the post in the center, behind the screw that holds the bowl on, and sticks up into the venturi between the choke and throttle plates" :) ) and it's sitting in a can of carb cleaner as we speak. I gotta tell you guys, everything looked spotless. But maybe there's something in one of the passages formed into the body. At any rate, I'll blow it out and reassemble it in the morning and see what happens.<br /><br />As for the fuel pump, before I even attempted to start it for the first time I pulled the cover to make sure the screen was clean. The diaphram looked ok, but I'll look at it a little closer tomorrow. I also changed out the fuel line from the pump to the carb. When I pulled the carb I noticed that it was hard and brittle.<br /><br />I'll also try to find the puddle valves tomorrow, but I'm still not quite sure what I'm looking for. I'll do a search on this topic for them, though.<br /><br />It's raining here now, I hope it stops by morning. We've been in a drought and need it, but I'd sure like to see some sun tomorrow. :cool: <br /><br />Thanks once again,<br /><br />Dave
 

touvell

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Don't I feel stupid! :eek: Like I said, this is my first boat. Well, the reason the engine wouldn't run WOT was because I didn't realize that it had to be in gear. It has a single stick throttle/gearshift, and you pull out a knob so it stays in neutral when you push the throttle up so it can warm up. When this knob is out, it only goes about half throttle. I never knew this! I only discovered it when I was adjusting the shift linkage after replacing the water pump impeller. I mean, I knew what the knob was for, I just didn't realize that the throttle wasn't advancing all the way with the knob pulled out. :eek: <br /><br />Ok, so it runs, but now I can't get it to idle. It starts with the throttle in the "warm up" position, and will run there but it's missing pretty badly. I started with the idle mixture screw backed out 1 turn (that's what the manual says), but it won't idle long enough to adjust it. So I tried 1-1/8, 1-1/4, 1-1/2, 7/8, 3/4, 1/2, but it won't idle at any of these positions for more than about 30 seconds. So I gave up on that and decided to pull the flywheel and look at the points.<br /><br />That flywheel was a bear, but I finally got it off by putting all the pressure I could on it with a harmonic balancer puller, then hitting the shaft of the puller with a hammer a couple of times. The points are a little pitted, but not as bad as I thought they'd be. I've got new points and condensers to install. Here's the question:<br /><br />The manual has me a little confused about how to set the points. This is the "Alternator" engine. The manual says to turn the crank until the rubbing block is on the high point of the lobe, and then it says "on Alternator models, turn the cranksahft another 10 degrees". My manual is a little confusing, because it has a section on "Setting Points (all models except MagnaPower)", and one titled "Setting Points (MagnaPower models)" The first section just says to pull the flywheel and inspect/replace the points. The second section says to pull the flywheel and inspect/replace the points, then goes into the actual setting of them. This is where the note about the additional 10 degrees is located (in the MagnaPower section, even though it says to do it on Alternator models).<br /><br />Can somebody please clarify this for me. The manual seems to be written for someone who already knows what they're doing. Would someone familiar with this engine give me a brief step-by-step, just so I know I'm doing this right?<br /><br />One more thing - How much water is supposed to be coming out of the hole in the back of the engine? I've replaced the impeller, but it only sprays water out the hole. I was under the impression that it should be a steady stream. The engine doesn't seem to get real hot - I can keep my hand on it, but then, it's not running more than a few minutes at a time right now.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Dave
 

touvell

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After searching the forum, it looks like as long as it's spurting water out the hole in back, it's OK.<br /><br />I'm still not sure about setting the points, though. Are they set at the high point of the cam or 10 degrees past it? Can someone "decipher" the manual for me? :confused: <br /><br />Thanks again,<br /><br />Dave
 

touvell

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IT RUNS! :D <br /><br />I got the points in it last night, and fired it up. I was able to set the idle mixture so that it will idle. It throttles up pretty good - there's a little bit of a flat spot in it, and runs wide open. I'm going to take it out on the lake this weekend and find out how it runs while pushing a boat. <br /><br />Many thanks to you guys. Y'all have been a BIG help.<br /><br />Dave
 

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Cool DaveT! I was hopeing to hear from you. Didn't want to have to hear a "told ya so". Have fun :D
 
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