Need some quick info on a Merc 850

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I picked up a this Merc 850 off CL on a trade for an old broken laptop I had sitting under my bed for over a year. It looks like its been stored inside for some time and I saw no critters or anything of the such. It did not come with anything. I want to do some simple testing to see if its worth keeping or not. My question is, how can I build a quick harness to crank it over to check compression and spark? Also, I'm still having trouble locating the serial number plate. I think cleaned up it would be more fun on my Mark Twain that I picked up.
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

The 850 was produced from 1973 to 1977. It should have a pin out harness thatb extends from side of starboard cowling. It could have either type ignition (CD or ADI). The CD ignition will have a upside down distributer and 4 spark plug wire where the ADI has a seperate coil for each cylinder. When you can identify ignition someone can tell you how to start it.
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

Upside down distributor. Thanks for the quick reply. I still can not find the serial plate... I'm not the brightest, at least that's what my wife reminds me.
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

if you take out all the spak plugs and make sure it is in netrual grab a length of rope wrap around fly wheel and pull , should pull over ez.
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

I will try to get a compression test done this weekend. I do have a battery and I think a push to choke switch laying around somewhere. If there is a way to make a simple harness for a stand to try to crank it over, I would like to give it a try. Otherwise, at least I can see if the motor has compression. About what psi am I looking for cold?
 

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Compression test does not require the motor to be running. Can be done two ways. You want to get at least 4-5 revolutions to get a good read. Removing the plugs makes it much easier to crank it over.

1) Manually crank motor over with rope around flywheel.
2) Crank the motor over by jumping the starter motor with a set of battery cables.

Most important aspect of the compression readings is the consistency from cyl to cyl. Generally the readings should be within 10% of each other. The higher the reading the more grunt the motor will have. Readings over 100psi are good. Higher is better of course but you won't see numbers higher than about 150psi.

As for starting it, you need the following. Use extreme caution working around the motor as the flywheel and prop are exposed and can cause severe injury. Do not run the motor dry. Always run it in water or hook up a garden hose to a set of muffs. Make sure your gas is mixed at 50:1.

Using jumper cables, connect a battery (-) to the motor cowl - a good safe ground. Using 16ga wire, connect the battery (+) to both the RED and WHITE terminals of the switchbox on the starter side (do NOT connect or remove anything from the distributor side of the switchbox). This will enable the ignition system.

Momentarily connect the other jumper cable from the battery (+) to the starter motor terminal (NOT the side connected to the cowling :)). This will crank the motor over. You can operate the choke manually with the choke knob located on the cowling above the switchbox.

This is important. To shut the motor OFF, remove the +12V from the WHITE terminal on the switchbox. You could use a toggle switch to accomplish this. Do not disconnect +12V from the RED terminal while the motor is running or you will cook the switchbox.
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

I think I will try the ol' rip cord first since I found one. If I have good compression, then I will fog the cylinders and start checking out the ignition system. Thanks. I really appreciate the info. These old mercs are look killer compared to the late 70's Rude that's on the boat now.
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

wiring diagram.jpg
Here's the wiring diagram (only the coil might be different.)
The serial Nr. should be between the clamp screws that hold the motor to boat or on the powerhead starter motor side.
 

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I still have to get it onto a stand hopefully this weekend... What's everyones's experience with this motor?
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

I bought one last year and it had 3 problems 1: The flywheel had been disassembled and reassembled 150* off, check the middle bolts on the top of the flywheel -there should not be any paint damage.
2. The ignition trigger was bad (see wiring diagram above, there is a quick test you can do to check this.)
3. The lower carb filter was plugged I removed them this winter because there is a filter near the fuel pump anyway.carb-filter.jpg
The power head is in great condition and the lower unit was good with minor leakage.
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

Well, good and bad news so far... I have about 110 on each cylinder with the pull rope method. The bad news is, once I got it onto a stand under some light, every wire I wiggled is corroded. Is there a way of removing the 6 pin plug so that I can "maybe" solder new wires or maybe even re-pin the harness if needed. I have access to some pins at work.
 

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The older Mercs are famous for the bad wiring. Pretty much guaranteed they all have to be redone. The main harness plug is captured with a small bracket and two screws on the inside of the cowling. Remove the bracket and the plug pulls out from the inside.

I redid mine two years ago. In order to solder, you will need to find "clean" wire. More than likely it will all be corroded and black in color because the damaged insulation has exposed the copper.

There are replacement wire harnesses available for about $100 if you shop around.
 

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Wires to the plug are shot. I'm surprised there are no pigtails that can be bought... If anybody has a good link to a harness or at least a plug with a few inches of usable wire, cheap, then please point me into a direction. Ebay seems hit and miss and sometimes fairly ridiculous on pricing.
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

Those yellow tiger tail spark plug wires are available at oldmercs.com or vintagemercs.com. They unscrew from the distributor cap. The rotor is not removeable and costs $200+ if you break it. The cap is also $100+.
 

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Chris I think he is referring to the multi-pin plug of the powerhead wire harness. If I recall, you had a source for those as well ?
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

I will have some more time this weekend and hopefully tracked down some parts locally. I did speak with a person about checking with spark among other things. He advised that despite the crapped out harness, I should still see spark with a pull rope. Anyone concur to this theory? If so, I will give it a try tonight.
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

No that motor needs a decent wiring harness to give a spark. A place to get a wiring harnes is surplusunlimited.com
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

Well, I did wind up calling around and found a Merc repair pro that just had repowered another similiar merc to mine. Turns out that he had a used set of controls with new cables and an almost new harness that I got for a VERY good price. I got it home and started looking at it today and my wires are way to shot and have been spliced with other colors to see what the old colors were. My new 7 pin harness has 9 wires that are not exactly like the diagram above. Can someone give me a quick run down on color from plug to location on engine? I just want to be triple sure that my wires are, indeed, where they belong. Again, thanks!
 

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Re: Need some quick info on a Merc 850

OK, Battery CD Ignition motor with Distributor. 7 wires on original harness: Orange/salmon is unused, white is power to switchbox, black is ground, red is +12VDC, grey is choke solenoid, Brown is tach sendor, connected to one side of rectifier, yellow is starter solenoid.

The two other wires may be overheat alarm, or low oil sendor, or tilt/trim wires. What color are they?
 
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