I am starting my research for an 08 or 09 192 millentia or ultima with 150. My question, after reading all the positive feedback concerning this brand, is how much should I pay for one of these in this economic market? I have received quotes for around 30k for an 09 (can I get lower than that?). How much less should I offer on an 08 left over? Some articles advise consumers should low ball the dealers and go from there. I am looking for feedback and some numbers to expect. Thanks