New gel-coat....how hard to do???

steve forsythe

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Please rate the difficulty of putting a layer of new gel-coat on my 23 foot boat. Mine is scratched, dull, and ugly. I have every painting tool known to man because i own a painting company. Can you spray gel-coat? Do you have to put it on brackets to hold it or can you just do the top part that is out of the water? Anyway....1 being the hardest and stay away, 5 meaning i could probably do it, and 10 meaning NO PROBLEM!
 

Terry H

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

Purse*Snatcher...I would have to give a 1.5...can be done, but alot of work. Gelcoat is first coat inside the mold that has been polished to a mirror finish. Use a proper urethane paint or I am sure someone else will have a good suggestion as to paint selection...just a Thought
 

Mumblerone

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

Other than minor scratches, possibly hull repair, I would not re-gelcoat a hull. The 'Standard' for the industry is actually a finish system called "AWLGRIP". As stated above 'gelcoat' is sprayed into the, fiberglass boat, mold first, then the fibreglass is shot or laid in. The mold is highly polished first, quite a process. Take a look at www.uspaint.com/awlgrip. I think this will head you in the right direction. ;)
 

rhett

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

repairing gelcoat is not that hard. matching the color is. if the scrathes are not that bad you can compound it using FIBERGLASS compound. i just did my budies boat and it came out great. i rented a video about gelcoat fiberglass repair at boat us with alot of great tips but could not get a color match and ended up painting my boat which came out great.
 

capercanuck

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

I just purchased an 87 sunray (27') with a really dull, scratched finish. I thought I was going to have to gel coat the whole thing. A friend of mine owns a body shop that also does boat work. I asked him about my options and he recommended "VERTGLASS". I tried it and it is amazing. It took me 3 full days and alot of elbow grease, but man does it work. I purposely left a small section of the hull untouched to see if there would be any difference and it is like night and day. This stuff is not really easy to apply and the instructions must be followed to the letter, but it does a fantastic job. I should mention that a frien of mine also tried this product last year and he said it didn't work for him. I think he might have rushed the process, which can screw up the whole thing.<br />Good luck...
 

mbb

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

yes gelcoat can be sprayed. I made new 3'x5'floor hatch cover for my boat, glassed and gelcoated. But...I did it nonskid. The outside of a boat is supposed to be smooth and shiny, too much sanding toget there with gelcoat. Even blending in about 6" dia circular patches where I removed thruhulls were a nightmare, too easy to sand thru it!. AWLGRIP or IMRON
 

6MISFITZ

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

VertGlass?? Anyone care to elaborate more on this. For scatches? For spider cracks? Hull repairs? Or for use instead of painting?<br /><br />Will this work if I trailer my boat or will I have to repaint every year where the bunks rub the hull?
 

capercanuck

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

Response to "Vertglas":<br /><br /> This product brings back a really nice luster to the fiberglass on your boat or truck topper. It is very labour intensive the first year. It took me just about 3 full days to do a 27' cruiser this year. I read other posts that said the product doesn't work, but it's obvious those posters didn't properly apply the product. I saw one post that complained they had applied 4 coats and it didn't do a thing. In the directions it states at least 3 or 4 BASE COATS are needed to even begin to see a difference. I put 12 coats n my boat , and let me tell you, it does work. The first 4 or 5 coats makes the fiberglass look dull, but each coat that goes on after that makes it look more and more shiny. The kit I bought comes with a boat wash, sealer, sealer remover, and an abrasive compound and brush that removes oxidization, water and rust stains. But you MUST put the effort into removing these stains before it is sealed with the Vertglas. The Vertglas forms a coating over any remaining stains that you can't remove without the Vertglas Remover Compound. Each year wash the boat and reapply 2 coats of Vertglass and you're set for the water. <br />I have to say I'm not a dealer for this product, just an end user who had it recommended by a body shop owner. Now I'm recommending it to anyone I can. Also, I paid $79.00(CAN) for the whole kit, about $52.00(US).
 

steve forsythe

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

This may sound like a dumb question but will i have to take all my decals off the boat to use this vertglass product or can i rub around them? I really dont want to remove my bat reg. numbers and boat name etc. Can i still use the vertglass?
 

capercanuck

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

Vertglas works even better on stickers and stripes, as these are usually coloured and they really brighten up when the stuff is applied. Treat the stickers and stripes as you would the fiberglass. Use the abrasive on those as well as the fiberglass. When I say it's abrasive, I should qualify that by stating it is only mildly abrasive, and will not hurt any finishes.<br />Good Luck...
 

davell

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

We absolutely love Vertglas - it brings a lot of customers into the shop and the costs of removing it is pretty adventageous for us, not to mention, we still get the job of restoring the original gelcoat :)
 

ThomWV

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

Back to your question.<br /><br />To regelcoat you will first prep the hull just as if you were doing a fine paint job on an automobile (lots of work even if the hull is in pretty good shape to start with). Then you will apply the new gel coat which can actually be done any way paint can be applied, and it really doesn't make much differenct how lumpy it is, because no matter what you do you're still going to have to finish it. Finishing is simply wet sanding and polishing. I say simply but that is really a misnomer. It is extememely hard work and will require multiple sanding with progressivly finer wet paper and then a full buffing followed by a full sealing. And what you have when you finished, if you got it just right, is a boat that will probably look very much like new. On the other hand if you go with Awl Grip you will have less work in it, probably about the same money, and a finish that will be better than just about any factory gel coat job. As for the lifecycle the gel coat wins out over the Awl Grip, but not because its really any better, only because it can continue to be resanded and polished as it degrades. You can not sand and repolish Awl Grip, not from day one to day last. Awl Grip attains its maximum gloss at about 21 days and gets harder and harder for years after application, but in truth it has a life of about 10 years before it needs to be repainted. Oh, and the paint is expensive.<br /><br />Also, you should know this, gel coat can be repaired and blended in of course. Its a pain to match colors and to be blunt about it most places and people do a poor job of matching, but it can be done. Awl Grip can not be repaired and blended. You can't just reshoot a patch, wet sand it and then polish it in. With Awl Grip if you have to repair a section you will either put up with a repainted patch that is visable or you will reshoot the entire hull section, but you will never be able to blend a patch in.<br /><br />Thom
 

crazy charlie

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Re: New gel-coat....how hard to do???

Purse-snatcher,go with painting if you want to take out every imperfection and make the boat look new.You have a big advantage being in the business and having the equiptment and the know how of using it.I wanted my 280 regal to look new so I had it done professionally with Imron by dupont.The results are WOW!!!!!!! The boat looks and shines better than a brand new boat because Imron shines better than brand new gelcoat.The job was not cheap,but the results were worth it.I get compliments ALL THE TIME.Charlie
 
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