New Guy, New 16ss, New PROJECT!

ilance

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OK, so I have been lurking here for a few months; learning all I can. Last Fall, I bought my first Starcraft. I have had a love for the 16ss for a while. In my area, what I really wanted: a Mariner.....is almost unattainable. I live in Oregon's Rogue Valley. Here, alloy center consoles are jet powered river boats. While I would love to....I'm just cheap!
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I'm also pretty experienced in running said jet boats. Enough to know I don't really want to feed one (local gas is $4.20 for REGULAR today!. So, a 16ss was just what the doctor ordered...

Problem is, they are still kinda hard to find. The one here is a Central Cal import. I took a chance on it, since it had some new parts I could sell and appeared to be fairly corrosion free (desert boat). It also had a really clean VRO Johnson 30....needless to say the motor was a blind guess.....but I figured, if it worked, it was a bonus. Hadn't been run in at least 10 years. The PO got it from a friend's father's estate that long before, tore out the sun rotted seats, and lost motivation. Gas totally dry, no battery, etc.....Guy wouldn't budge at all on the price. Guess he figured is I drove 300 miles with cash, I was a likely owner! He figured right, but jeez! At least inflate the price a little to make me feel like I'm dealing.....

Of course, I bought it. How could I not? :)

Bought two new tires to replace the sun-rotted original (bias-plys with tubes!) Tire store let me use a grease gun to blast as much grease in to the petrified bearing buddies as I could. Beat the coupler until it almost fit (PO bent the heck out of it backing in his driveway); then tied a rope to simulate the missing safety chain. (Shoulda thought to bring that kind of stuff! Couldn't get it local....everwhere was closed! Rrrrr.

Made it the 300 miles back home though. Bearings were hot enough when I stopped to check them that I opted to do a little less than the speed limit. Set the cruise slow, and became a road block the whole way. Lucked out too, because only one taillight worked, and I found a broken reflector where I stopped to check bearings--jammed it in the broken lens and almost kinda looked like it worked--in headlights anyway--everyone was coming up from behind and passing anyway!

So, once home, I went tot he local parts place and bought the usual tune up stuff and lubes--plus the absent battery. Back to the boat with my trusty pal to make that 'ol VRO come to life. Crank, crank, crank.....compression looked good cold. Lube was up, fuel was pumping, spark happened; everything sounded good. Then I put in the plugs and cranked in earnest. For about two revolutions. Then it locked so hard I had to use a prybar to turn it backwards. Not good.......guess I know why grandpa's boat had a totally empty VRO tank too! After two more episodes of the same, I had to admit the obvious. Off to the boat shop again.

The owner heard my sad tale; then informed me of the perhaps obvious: rebuilding the powerhead was going to cost me more in parts than my old motor was worth. Sigh......back to craigslist to find a 'glass boat to gut, I supposed. However, as he pointed out that the 30 was probably marginal, I asked just the right question. As it happens, yes, he did have a used version of said higher horsepower motor: a two year newer 70!! Now, my wife was marginally tolerant of the Starcraft to begin with (Not seeing it's obvious attributes...she dubbed it ugly). How was I going to slide the motor too? She just doesn't understand: my kids want to FISH, therefore I will have a boat!

My friend, being a friend of the truest sort, offers a solution. He desired a motorcycle that merely took up space in my garage--space I needed for said Starcraft--we brokered a deal on the spot. He bought the motor! Boat shop guy said he would install it, flush my tank, and have it running in two weeks. Kismet! I LOVE "incestuous trades" like that!

Too perfect to be, however. It took my four months to get the boat back.....the exchange motor had a bad control unit. It was backordered.....etc.....Holidays came......shop closed for vacation. Bottom line, I got the boat back in late January. Thus, I did what any self-respecting new boat owner would do: I took it to the lake with camp chairs, froze my butt off, and ran the heck out of it. VERY VERY HAPPY with that motor!! Much more than I expected. It pops out of the hole, flies to porpoise speeds, and even has TRIM. Sweet! I spend so much time at full throttle in tight circles with the rail corners grazing the hole in the water I was making that I got dizzy. Did I mention I was happy with the motor? :cool:

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On the downside, the transom was highly suspect; the floors beyond hope; and the wiring was something only the original owner would appreciate. This I already knew. Still, it was a lot of fun to finally play with my (I mean my kids') new toy!

Remember my buddy--that bought that motor? Well he also has a nice big shop, with a propane heater! Since I couldn't get to it any other way, I took the week off. For the weekend, I cleared out cars and bikes to make a space--dump runs ensued. Monday, I finalized the clean and transported the boat. Today was TEAR DOWN!

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More pending......
 

ilance

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Re: New Guy, New 16ss, New PROJECT!

Hammers and drills and cutoffs, OH MY! After four hours, we had only floorboards.

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That stuff on the bottom is an as-yet-unidentified kind of sheet fungus. Least it didn't smell.....

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The foam? Pretty dry....and THANKFULLY in big blocks, as this is a 1971. I fed my helper a big cheeseburger, and cut out floors and splash well. Six hours, and ready to clean.

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Best news: No corrosion I can see yet. The stringers are still attached in all but two places. There's old style beer tabs in the limber holes.....:facepalm: Got to educate my daughter about these mysterious items, though.

Tomorrow, I will be etching and power washing in the rain.

Here's the plan (for now):
1) Rivet tighten and Gluvit liberally.
2) Considering grey Rhino-lining--concerned about the weight, but love the idea.
3) Really liking the StarBoard transom idea.....anyone actually have feedback?
4) Buddy suggested an @12" transom bracket....which would seriously up the room in my 16! I REALLY like this idea, and will be visiting my local aluminum fab shops to see if it's in-budget. I like it so much, I just may MAKE it in budget! Anyone done this? (seen it talked about, but not done yet on a little one)
5) I was going to try the StarBoard floor idea....but in my area, I can get 1/8" or 3/16" diamond plate sheets at very good prices...and I have "connections!" Thoughts; pro/con?
6) Yes, it's going to become a CC. Just haven't found a console I like. SInce I am going "woodless"...I'd kinda hate to fab one of ply/epoxy. And I fear what even my conected fab guys will want for one to spec.....!

All in planning for the time to get quotes and cleanup. But, if the darned weather would cooperate, I might slide it off the trailer outside and paint up the trailer with a (much overdue) bunk replacement with plastic deck boards. Is it a party foul to paint/Gluvit some on the outside before a rivet check and water test? I had no leaks on my lake jaunt, none......and it looks so good in there.....and I DO plan on coating it inside.....(I know, I should't!)

Is it obvious that I am VERY into this project? :)
 

1973Chieftain

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Welcome to iboats and congrats on the beautiful boat! Seems like you are a long ways towards completion as well! :)
 

ezmobee

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Nice hull and that's a pretty minty fresh Johnson too. In m opinion that's the ideal motor for a 16' Starcraft.

Do NOT use Starboard for your transom. It has NO lateral strength. Totally unsuitable. I think Coosa board is what you're looking for. I wouldn't try to use Starboard for the deck either. We do have a member who went the diamond plate route and it turned out awesome. Here's his thread http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=451433

Same deal with plastic boards for your trailer bunks. The stuff just has no strength.

I'd just stick with wood for the transom myself. It's not that big a deal to replace in the future if you have to and beside, properly sealed, it will outlive you anyway. What is it that you want to Rhino-line? Haven't heard good things about that as far as the hull is concerned.
 

ilance

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Hello to both of you! EZ: that's just the kind of thought I was afraid to hear....it seemed like such a cool idea, it just had to be flawed. My concern is that I want to try to hang the motor off a little custom bracket--so I thought a little rigidity would be helpful. Now that Coosa board.....Hmmmm.....much reading to do!

One of my biggest worries about the refit is that I have been involved in making inherently flexible boats more stiff. The resulting hull cracks were a serious PITA. (In a former life I ran a 21' Custom Weld console) We had some of the best in the business trying to keep 'ol flexy alive, but everything we braced just ended up tearing up something else.

I SERIOUSLY love Veil's boat! And not just because it's a near clone to my own. Very much the utilitarian I was looking for.

Here's the progress for the day:

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Got off all of the rest of the deck hardware stragglers. Even got a wild hair and made use of the cherry picker to pop out the transom remains. There was enough gunge in the bottom that I was afraid to have in the driveway that I hauled it down to the local coin-op for $20 worth of hosing.:eek: Worth it, probably, as there were enough fasteners in it to flatten many tires. Just hosed it down the big sediment drain grate. I'll do a better job with some cleaner, once I get to my own pressure washer. Major plus seems right now to be that the only leak was from the frequently clogged hull drain. Whatever the red sealant of death was that was used on my hull seems pretty stout. There was a little puddle in the lower bow that was pulled up as a sheet, but SC gooped it really heavily down there.

I know I will probably freak out folks....but the truckful of SS stuff made the recycler on my trip back home. I wanted to keep it for at least long enough to offer it up, but my buddy's wife must be placated by regular dump offerings. I cannot let a pile develop, or shop privileges will be immediately curtailed! Worse still, my own spouse would take a dim view. I kept a few patch panels...and the fungi-floorboard growth medium for templates. I truly hope there are no locals trying to find what I had to heedlessly destroy. (sigh) If it's any consolation, the window frame and rails were very bent, both windshields were cracked, dashes a rotten mess, and the splashwell was ruined by the idiots trying to drill it out. Patience is not one of my virtues--which will no doubt be aired here for all to enjoy as this progresses.

I'm planning to slide it off the trailer into my back yard tomorrow and flip it with my trusty old Kubota's help. Then I can at least clean up the trailer and do a little sanding while I end out my little work party vacation. maybe start Gluvit and Rustoleum shopping while I wait on the fab work to commence.

Any thoughts from the field on skinning the transom? The PO was absolutely mad with the drilling..... I know my fab guys can tig up the holes, but just how much beefing up is too much if I want to try the bracket idea?
 

InMotion

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Hey IL,

Great boat/setup you have there!! You have definetly got a good jump into the rebuild and are "managing" spousal expectations!!:D

As far as skinning it to patch the holes, there are many approaches to this, but one to at least consider... depending on the hole size... is to use a backer plate and some 5200 or JB Weld or a combo to fill the holes. Then if you want to skin it for asthetic purposes you can. Skins can look fine or not --- depends on skill. Just make sure to use aluminum and not galv metal so as to prevent a galvantic reaction. A picture of where the holes are would be great for all to see.

Jim
 

ilance

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Motion: I was mostly thinking to skin for aesthetics...some diamond plate would tie it all in so well. The holes are all just screw holes, beneath the water line--where the PO put on various transducers. All with steel screws, I might add! Drilled them all out. If I succeed in going full height on the transom, then I'll also want to patch the old transom drains. Today, I've been researching the Coosa board suggested above. No good local source for it yet.
 

Rayzor

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Re: New Guy, New 16ss, New PROJECT!

Nice boat! and welcome. I am just up I-5 by Albany. I to have the 16ss
 

ilance

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YIKES! I'm really glad I didn't really price refit stuff before I tore down! I'm a cheapskate at heart....3/4 marine ply has to be ordered in: at $67 a sheet! I think I need six sheets for floors and transom, right? (I'll be searching that). Plus epoxy, 3-4 gallons, as memory serves....

Local (non-buddy) source for 1/8" diamond plate is looking more tempting now! ($200/sheet)

My inner cheapskate woulda run the day and I'd have skinned the punky floors and pushed the transom until it broke the knee brace.....I know it woulda only been a couple years....but I usually do things the hard way. I suppose I should be grateful that temptation is gone.

Dumb question I haven't found an answer to: I'd like to buy a plastic bow tank. Will my Johnson 70 suck fuel that far, or should I just plan for a remote filer and low pressure pump now?

And hello Rayzor! :). Sweet Home is not so far we can't work on a little Oregon SC gathering....awesome fishing at East Lake, below Bend!
 

ezmobee

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Check out Arauco ply at Lowes. Very very nice exterior ply with virtually no voids. Half the price of marine. Google Clark Kraft for decent epoxy prices.
 

ilance

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EZ: Lowes and HD here sell our local Roseburg stuff. But I think it's really reject panels from our local mills.... There's some really cool SandePly stuff from China. It has a lot of plys and says "hardwood"....but I found a panel dropped on a corner, and it looks like a dry layup. The Ply guys on the web call it trash, and I think I might believe them. I'm pretty bummed at the quality of stuff I have seen so far. I live in the heart of plywood heaven....but am kinda disgusted at the stuff we are putting out! I hope Oregon sends better ply to the rest of the US?...considering ordering some "marine ply" sight unseen just to see if it's better.
 

ilance

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A cautionary tale: my wife caught me working on my shopping list today.....:facepalm: Usually, I spring it on her in as rapid a succession as I can (less time for objection). Perhaps the biggest hazard of working at home..... Now, all radars are on high threat alert.
 

CheapboatKev

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A cautionary tale: my wife caught me working on my shopping list today.....:facepalm: Usually, I spring it on her in as rapid a succession as I can (less time for objection). Perhaps the biggest hazard of working at home..... Now, all radars are on high threat alert.


lol..Never have a boat cost spreadsheet named anything to do with the boat..maybe password protected even..
 

barato2

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just keep reminding her that the boat keeps you so broke that she doesn't need to worry about flesh n blood girlfriends....my wife calls my boats my tin putas
 

InMotion

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A cautionary tale: my wife caught me working on my shopping list today.....:facepalm: Usually, I spring it on her in as rapid a succession as I can (less time for objection). Perhaps the biggest hazard of working at home..... Now, all radars are on high threat alert.

Bring her flowers on the days you don't buy boat stuff. It'll throw her off your scent!!!

Write using those pens that the ink becomes invisible until scribbled using a second one... had them as kids.
 
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