New IED resistant vehicles!

Speedwagon

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USA Today report

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WASHINGTON — The military is rushing armored vehicles with specially designed hulls to Iraq and Afghanistan to limit the damage from roadside bombs, the No. 1 killer of U.S. troops.

The bombs, which the military calls improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, have killed or wounded thousands of troops and shredded conventional military vehicles. The new vehicles have a V-shaped hull, which disperses the force of an explosion and helps keep the vehicle from flipping over.

"It's just going to be the standard for any vehicle on the battlefield over the next 10 years," John Pike, a military analyst at GlobalSecurity.org in Alexandria, Va., said of the V-shaped hull.

Not only are lives at stake, but also millions — and potentially billions — of dollars.

The Pentagon's Joint IED Defeat Organization is spending nearly $3.5 billion this year to combat IEDs. Pentagon records show that since the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq began, 1,074 troops have been killed and 11,513 others wounded by insurgent bombs.

A major Pentagon supplier of V-shaped vehicles is 9-year-old Force Protection of Ladson, S.C. The Pentagon says the number of the company's Buffalo and Cougar V-shaped vehicles in Iraq is classified, but public records show the military has bought almost 300. That compares with more than 35,000 Humvees, the military's main multipurpose vehicle, in Iraq. The Buffalo vehicles cost $750,000 apiece, about five times the cost of an armored Humvee, which is smaller.

Force Protection says nobody inside a Buffalo has been killed in Iraq or Afghanistan despite encountering thousands of IED blasts.

Retired general Montgomery Meigs, head of the anti-IED organization, said the Buffalo's armor and shape make it "a lot more robust than the Humvee."

Foreign companies, many of them in South Africa, have been the leaders in developing the vehicles. Some of the Pentagon's largest contractors are marketing V-shaped vehicles with foreign partners. They include:

•AM General, the maker of the Humvee, is pitching to the Pentagon a V-shaped armored car called the Cobra. It is made by Otokar, a Turkish company, and uses a Humvee drivetrain.

•Oshkosh Truck, which makes many of the military's trucks, has partnered with ADI of Australia to market the Bushmaster armored vehicle.

•Blackwater, a private security firm that protects U.S. diplomats in Iraq, developed is own vehicle, the Grizzly, which it will send to Iraq soon.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican and a member of the Armed Services Committee, pushed the Pentagon to buy the Buffalo and Cougar.

Graham said the Pentagon has acted quickly to deploy the vehicles, without the kind of delays seen in sending body armor and armored Humvees to Iraq.

"This is an example of where (the Pentagon) has gotten it right," Graham said. "They're doing it as fast as they can."
 

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Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican and a member of the Armed Services Committee, pushed the Pentagon to buy the Buffalo and Cougar.


Wonder if he gets paid for each one they sell or if he took it in a lump sum
 

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^ Blatant troll......Bueller.......Bueller......anyone?
 

i386

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Good to see 'em getting some good equipment. I think anyone can stand behind that.
 

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Good to see 'em getting some good equipment. I think anyone can stand behind that.

No, no, no. My point IS....out of the 750K selling price, just how much goes into the account of the Senator from SC?

Or, is this just accepted practice now & nobody gives a rats azz?
 

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Show some proof and I'll be right there with ya. Like I said last night I'm not toting a line for anybody.
 

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Those guys have been working on their system for 230 years. The proof gets buried so deep in bureaucratic BS that by the time anybody finds it, it's LEGAL for cryin' out loud.

Can you say...campaign finance reform? Term limits? I knew you could. How do we get it across to the politicians? That would be loosening the first screws in that 230 year old system.
 

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stevieray said:
Good to see 'em getting some good equipment. I think anyone can stand behind that.

No, no, no. My point IS....out of the 750K selling price, just how much goes into the account of the Senator from SC?

Or, is this just accepted practice now & nobody gives a rats azz?

Some people see the glass as half full, some see it as half empty.

Come on now Stevieray, hold your mud on this one. I know it is easy to be cynical today but you have no cause to diminish this accomplishment. Look at the progression of arms that took place in the 4 relatively short years of WWII. With an attitude like yours they would have never happened.
 

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New IED resistant vehicles.A pile of hogwash.
I remember something very similar in Lebanon.What was supposed to be a new armored vehicle turned out to be a very heavy very slow moving and very hard to turn vehicle simply because it turned out to be a grossly overweight unmaneuvrable truck.This looks like it is the same thing and yes it is grossly overpriced.
The solution is very much cheaper and very easily available.The US army has thousands of older type battle field tanks like the Pattons.All that needs to be done is take off the turrets and voila,there is a heavy armoured IED proof armed personel carrier ready to boogie.You can even put on a vulcan and 2 m60s for good measure.That is what stopped the IED threat for us in South Lebanon,no reason why it would not work in Iraq.But now nobody would be making millions, so it probably will not happen.
 

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rolmops said:
New IED resistant vehicles.A pile of hogwash.
I remember something very similar in Lebanon.What was supposed to be a new armored vehicle turned out to be a very heavy very slow moving and very hard to turn vehicle simply because it turned out to be a grossly overweight unmaneuvrable truck.This looks like it is the same thing and yes it is grossly overpriced.
The solution is very much cheaper and very easily available.The US army has thousands of older type battle field tanks like the Pattons.All that needs to be done is take off the turrets and voila,there is a heavy armoured IED proof armed personel carrier ready to boogie.You can even put on a vulcan and 2 m60s for good measure.That is what stopped the IED threat for us in South Lebanon,no reason why it would not work in Iraq.But now nobody would be making millions, so it probably will not happen.

So you have no problem putting your life in the hands of a 60 y/o piece of equipment? Nevermind the maintenance costs associated with something that old. I'm sure they will last forever, just like all pieces of machinery do. These things never wear out and fall apart. There's no need for new equipment to protect our troops. Hell, the Abrams tank isn't worth buying either, since the Sherman was built oh so long ago.

What kind of retarded logic is that? What's wrong with getting new equipment? If there is something WRONG with this new piece of equipment, show something to back that up, and I'll listen. Otherwise, you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

And way to spin a good thing into trash.
 

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Come on now Stevieray, hold your mud on this one. I know it is easy to be cynical today but you have no cause to diminish this accomplishment. Look at the progression of arms that took place in the 4 relatively short years of WWII. With an attitude like yours they would have never happened.

I have no problem with supplying our troops with the best possible equipment. Period.

Buuuuuut - doesn't anybody find this a bit unnerving? That the influential Senator pushed to have these very expensive units that just happen to be mfd in his fine home state (and, I'd be willing to bet the company would just happen to be owned by someone...connected....to him somehow) where it's a lot easier to get his hand on the dough than from the already established foreign vendors?
 

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If it saves just one of our Boy's (MEN) or runs over just one terrorist it's worth every dime,
no matter who's pocket's got lined

*usa
 

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I'm with xtra on this one.

The Canadians already an ied-proof vehicle too. I'll try and find a link later when I get home.

The French also have ied-proof vehicles. They just keep all their trucks away from any trouble spots :'(
 

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stan_deezy said:
The French also have ied-proof vehicles. They just keep all their trucks away from any trouble spots :'(
Ok Stan!
I always (like others) really enjoy your LEO stories. Even though I seldom post in them.
But this is a semi serious post so I wasn't prepared for that remark! Now to clean coffee (with cream and sugar) out of the keyboard!
:) :) :)
 

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Apologies Link, it won't happen again......sort of d:)

Definitely agree that the lads need the very best of kit when they are up against the bad guys in some of our trouble-spots at this time. The UK government gave them Land Rovers :'(
I've looked at some of the newer vehicles that have been sent from UK and they don't seem to be a massive improvement but I understand that we (the UK) may have bought a load of the Canadian vehicles............this is the only link I could find, takes you direct to the manufacturers website: http://www.aavi.com/

The one that the UK is interested in is the Gurkha with a top speed of nearly 100mph even though it weighs nine and a half tonnes!


Ps, I can't remember if there was rule about posting weblinks so if I've broken a rule please be gentle with me, it's my ignorance :'(
 

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Agreed, troops need best equipment. I think we all are on this one.

But 750M per unit. Get real. How many units are we going to buy. Who rides in the new and who in the old.

The equipment was already available to an extent when we charged into this war. But we sent Humvee to Homeland Security (over 350 purshased to be used inside the US.) Then instead of preparing vehicles with armor we sent UNARMED vehicles with the troops.

Someone please tell me why it cost $750M to build a vehicle with heavy metal. I do not buy this crud and neither do any of you.

This is not a Rep. or Dem thing this is a greed thing from the Congress thru the Pentagon. Check out and see where the consultants working for the company come from. My o My they are retired Lt. Col. who worked in armor procurement in the pentagon.
 

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But 750M per unit. Get real. How many units are we going to buy. Who rides in the new and who in the old.

Dang TX, you're having a rough day today....

Quote from article:
The Buffalo vehicles cost $750,000 apiece, about five times the cost of an armored Humvee, which is smaller.
 

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txswinner said:
Agreed, troops need best equipment. I think we all are on this one.

But 750M per unit. Get real. How many units are we going to buy. Who rides in the new and who in the old.

The equipment was already available to an extent when we charged into this war. But we sent Humvee to Homeland Security (over 350 purshased to be used inside the US.) Then instead of preparing vehicles with armor we sent UNARMED vehicles with the troops.

Someone please tell me why it cost $750M to build a vehicle with heavy metal. I do not buy this crud and neither do any of you.

This is not a Rep. or Dem thing this is a greed thing from the Congress thru the Pentagon. Check out and see where the consultants working for the company come from. My o My they are retired Lt. Col. who worked in armor procurement in the pentagon.

You need to re-read the article. It's $750,000, not $750,000,000. That's a huge difference there.

The vehicle is used with US forces in Iraq for route clearing and counter IED activities.

The Buffalo uses steel wheels and disc rollers which allow the vehicle to be driven over and detonate anti-personnel mines without sustaining damage. As a result, unusually large numbers of mines can be neutralized in a short period of time. The vehicle retains all round (including roof) ballistic protection from 7.62mm NATO ball cartridges.

There are also Cougars & Cheetahs made by this company, which is more Humvee sized(Cheetah), and probably more Humvee priced. These Buffalos are more like a 5-ton instead of a Humvee.

And the Buffalo can hold 14 people. That's 3x the capacity of a Humvee, at only 5x the cost of an amored(and vunerable) Humvee. And that puts the price more in perspective.

Force Protection website(videos)
 

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Pretty sure TX meant "K' not "M"......
I'd like to know why it costs 750K to build one.....
I like the Sherman idea, even if they are old....
They are bought & paid for & just because something is 60 years old does not necessarily make it obsolete or worthless.....
Just ask Boom! d:)......JK
 

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Why 750k ?
research and development.........
why do some bottles of medication cost 300 bucks ?
because of the time involved in the research for the cure...
 
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