New Motor Loosing Coolant

trsail59

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Hi All,
Last April my partner and I purchased a complete"new" re-manufactured 4.3 liter Mercruiser engine to replace the toasted one in out boat....we purchased it through a Mercruiser dealer who installed it. We also had them install a full fresh water closed cooling system that was less than a year old that had been installed on the old motor shortly before it failed. A month after they completed the work we noticed coolant level was dropping in the reservoir. The engine was hard starting and steamed badly and smelled like coolant. We brought it back to the dealer and he discovered that the gasket for the blanking plate at the riser manifold had failed accounting for these problems. Since then it has failed two more times and he has tried two other sets of gaskets..He assures me the mating surface of the riser and blanking plate are flat ... and no cracks can be found on the riser (the failure is on both manifolds)...What we noticed is that after the gaskets are replaced the leaks are gone but after a period of time a couple months the leaks return. He says when he takes the risers apart the gaskets look like they are deteriorating. He uses a mercruiser coolant that is reddish in color. Now he thinks maybe this coolant is attacking the gaskets and causing their premature failure.

I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this issue or has some ideas on what else might be going on. I am a mechanic by trade and trust the guy doing the work he is a long time mercruiser dealer/owner and highly rated. At this point he is thinking we should try replacing the gaskets again (he has tried several different manufacturers) but he thinks we should try the green automotive coolant instead.

Thanks ahead of time for your thoughtful input.
Tom
 
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achris

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Dry joint or standard manifolds/elbows?

The dry joint gaskets have stainless plates, but the old standard manifold 'blanking' gasket is just that, a gasket. There's nothing internal to strengthen the gasket. It could fail if the system pressure got too high. But I have used the genuine gasket on many engines with closed cooling, and they last a LONG time.

He is using genuine gaskets? (Graphite impregnated, and fairly thick.) The aftermarket gaskets are known to fail, and fairly quickly.

Chris....
 

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Thanks Chris....
Yes he originally used the graphite impregnated ones and then tried a couple after market brands.... I do believe...I am looking for a picture I took of the last brand he installed they lasted the longest....He also replaced the coolant pressure cap the last time and replaced it with one of a bit lower pressure...maybe why the last gasket set has lasted the longest...
 

trsail59

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One set of gaskets was a quicksilver 27-863725 1 I am unsure on the others ...he put a new 13 psi cap on with the last set of gaskets...I am unsure if the last set of gaskets are the quicksilvers shown above. He was surprised how graphite gaskets had surprisingly fallen apart. To answer your question yes these are standard manifolds.

Is there any chance that exhaust gases are getting into the cooling system and over pressurizing the cooling system I would think the pressure cap would prevent that?
 
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Bt Doctur

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Get yourself the SS block off plates and use two standard gaskets ,open or closed. Ditch those closed graphite ones
 

achris

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One set of gaskets was a quicksilver 27-863725 1

That's a gasket for standard manifolds (not dry-joint)... So we're dealing with those. ok...

...he put a new 13 psi cap on with the last set of gaskets...I am unsure if the last set of gaskets are the quicksilvers shown above. He was surprised how graphite gaskets had surprisingly fallen apart. To answer your question yes these are standard manifolds.

Is there any chance that exhaust gases are getting into the cooling system and over pressurizing the cooling system I would think the pressure cap would prevent that?

If there was exhaust gas getting in and increasing the pressure, yes the cap would vent at 13psi...

Chris.......
 

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One set of gaskets was a quicksilver 27-863725 1 I am unsure on the others ...he put a new 13 psi cap on with the last set of gaskets...I am unsure if the last set of gaskets are the quicksilvers shown above. He was surprised how graphite gaskets had surprisingly fallen apart. To answer your question yes these are standard manifolds.

Is there any chance that exhaust gases are getting into the cooling system and over pressurizing the cooling system I would think the pressure cap would prevent that?

I have a similar closed cooling MC with traditional manifolds and risers that use the graphite gasket with SS insert. I just ordered new ones from Iboat. By chance are you adding gasket sealant to gasket surfaces? Most people have informed me to put them on dry and not to add any sealant?
 

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I spoke with the Merc Dealer today he said that he has been using stainless steel plates with no sealant on the quicksilver d and two aftermarket brands. He says the part of the gasket that is exposed to the red coolant is turning to "mush" they no longer use the mercruiser coolant because of this concern. We are going to try another set of new gaskets with a different coolant as a last resort... otherwise were stuck removing the freshwater cooling...I will get back to you in a few months with a progress report. Thanks for your input.
 

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I spoke with the Merc Dealer today he said that he has been using stainless steel plates with no sealant on the quicksilver d and two aftermarket brands. He says the part of the gasket that is exposed to the red coolant is turning to "mush" they no longer use the mercruiser coolant because of this concern. We are going to try another set of new gaskets with a different coolant as a last resort... otherwise were stuck removing the freshwater cooling...I will get back to you in a few months with a progress report. Thanks for your input.

That is good to know for the rest of us who have similar set ups. I have always used universal antifreeze. Same stuff I put in my truck... I guess MC R&D made a huge mistake?
 

tank1949

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Dry joint or standard manifolds/elbows?

The dry joint gaskets have stainless plates, but the old standard manifold 'blanking' gasket is just that, a gasket. There's nothing internal to strengthen the gasket. It could fail if the system pressure got too high. But I have used the genuine gasket on many engines with closed cooling, and they last a LONG time.

He is using genuine gaskets? (Graphite impregnated, and fairly thick.) The aftermarket gaskets are known to fail, and fairly quickly.

Chris....

Considering the long term maintenance expenses for pulling closed cooling risers and inspecting them, I was thinking about fabricating ss 1/16" metal plate inserts and just purchasing and installing the cheaper solid fiber gaskets on both sides instead of the graphite more expensive gaskets. It is also my understanding that MC manifold manufactures make exhaust manifolds that are completely closed off where risers attach. Unfortunately, replacing fully functioning exhaust manifolds (open top) is expensive.
 
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