New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

Demolitron

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Hello,

I currently have an SEI SE106 drive and a 1985 Mercruiser 205 V-6 engine.

Back to the past (When I had an MR205 Alpha drive on my boat)...

I redid my bellows and also replaced my Lower Unit shift cable with the OEM one (Teflon just as Don recommended) because it was dying when going from fwd/rev into neutral. After that replacement it worked like a charm.

Then I found that my outdrive was foobar internally and decided to just buy a new SEI drive. During the assembly of the two halves I made SURE the shift rod was correct. Fully engaged in forward gear (clockwise on the shift rod, prop locked counter-clockwise) the lever pointed straight ahead. I installed the drive to the boat and everything went well. I did adjust the shift cable end on the engine to the manual spec of 6". Everything works fine out of the water.

On the water is where my problems lie. From fwd/rev to N doesn't work. It remains in gear when the control is placed in the neutral position. When I shift to N the engine does stumble, the kill switch engages, but the drive does not pop out of gear. I have to move it SLIGHTLY in the other direction, then the engine stumbles again and this time I feel it pop out of gear.

It does this going from FWD to N and from REV to N. Both ways. I spent a good amount of time trying to make fine adjustments to the shift cable trunnion nut(the brass barrel). If I adjust it so that it does go from FWD to N then it makes getting from REV to N a real challenge.

1) The kill switch does work, tested both manually and the engine stumbles when shifting.
2) The lower unit shift cable slides EASILY (like butter) in and out and there are no sharp bends in the cable.
3) The shift cable from the control unit has not been touched or rerouted.

The control lever feels a little stiff. This is a new boat to me, so I don't know how stiff this should feel. Would an old/stiff control shift cable cause this problem?

So if anyone has any tests I could perform I would like to hear it. I don't want to just buy new cables, if that isn't the problem.

Thank You,

Aaron
 

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

Did you call and talk to Sterndrive Engineering? I have found them to be helpful. It may be your adjustment, or it may be an outdrive issue.... They might be able to pinpoint the problem for you.
 

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

First .. are you using a OEM Manual? I have found that some of the other manuals arent accurate on these adjustments. Like the 6". It may need to be 5 7/8 (for example). This may not be true on yours but check that out. Second.... Have you tried shifting the outdrive with the shift cable disconnected from the shift plate? If it is shifting fine while running there, then i would look into the adjustments then changing out the shift and throttle cables if they are as stiff as you say. Also look for kinks in all the cables. Try to give a 12" radius for the turns.
 

Demolitron

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

I am using the mercruiser OEM manual #6, which indicates the 6" measurement. I am going to talk with SEI today and see if they can help.
 

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

it should be 6 inches center to center. I just did one of friday. It sounds like your control box and the cable back are worn out.
 

Demolitron

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

That's what SEI said to check out. I may have some "slop" or play in the helm control. Found a procedure to test the play in the shift system in Manual #6 Section1-C. So I'll be testing that out tonight. If there is a problem with the play, do I need to buy a new helm control unit, or can I fix the old one? If so, could someone point me to a manual/parts guide for the helm control?

Thanks!
 

Demolitron

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

Hello,

So I've done some tests on the shift system and here's what I found:

1) Lower Unit Shift Cable End Play: I used a bungee to put counter-clockwise tension on the prop while in FWD gear. The cable play was 1/2". This seems pretty close to the 9/16" that the Merc manual says is the limit. The cable still moved smooth and easy.

2) Helm control shift cable end play: With the helm in full FWD the shift cable end play was almost zero. I could not measure it acuratley enough other than to say is was quite small.

3) Helm control shift throw. From Full FWD to full REV while pushing/pulling on the cable I got 3.09" of movement. That's right between 2-7/8" and 3-1/8".

I re-positioned the cable routing and some of the stiffness of the shift level has gone away. At this point I'm not sure what else it could be. Can anyone give me something else to try?

Thanks.
 

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

How's the shifter itself???? Is the handle nice and tight or is it all wiggly diggly??
 

Demolitron

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

How's the shifter itself???? Is the handle nice and tight or is it all wiggly diggly??

Nope, the handle is firm. It's not lose, but it also isn't too tight.

Is it possible for the cable core itself to become "stretchy" as in the elastic profile of the steel changed? I believe this would be a change in "Young's Modulus" due to fatigue? I'm not sure this is possible...
 

BAYLINER185

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

It sound slike either bad cables or miss adjustments at the controler.

You can put it in gear and get it out of gear if you play with it so I dont think its the drive or your lower ( rear ) shif cable. I think the problem is forward of that at the controler and possibly at the bracket mounted on the engine.
 

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Re: New SE106 Outdrive Shift problem, New Lower Shift Cable Already

Sounds like a lower shift cable issue. It should be smooth and as easy to move as melted butter.
 
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