No Tell Tale?

JENNIE116LOWE

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Re: No Tell Tale?

What do I do to prep the cylinder and crankcase surfaces( the part that the head mates up to)? Mine are pretty rough and grungy looking. Should I use emery cloth or 400 grit to clean these up?
 

kfa4303

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Hi Jennie. After you remove the old head gasket, be sure you clean off any old goop using some of the 400 grit paper and a bit of acetone/carb cleaner. When you're done cleaning, double check the cylinders for any debris. Don't go crazy with the paper. Just use it to remove and obvious dirt and grime. In a perfect world, or if you were working on a fancy car, you would actually send the block out to a machine shop to be "dressed" along with the head itself so that you end up with two perfectly level surfaces to mate together, but that's overkill for this job. Just make sure the block is nice and clean with no major pitting, or gauges, you'll then install a new headgasket (no sealant needed), then the old head which you have dressed. You then gradually torque down the head bolts to the correct spec using the spiral pattern above. Start by tightening them down 1/2 way in the spiral pattern, then 3/4, then the full amount. After the motor has had a chance to run and come up to temp for a while, you will then want to go back and give the head bolts one final tweak and tighten them to the torque spec. If you tighten them down all the way, one at a time, you'll warp the head.
 

JENNIE116LOWE

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Well I cleaned out the entire cooling system, put head back on and still no water out of the port.I blew air through the main uptake pipe and it comes out with no problem. While the motor was running I noticed a lot of air coming out of the pee hole but no water. The impeller is installed correctly, I blew air through the main water intake and its clear. The uptake tube is inside the housing grommet. Don't know what else to check. I'm stumped and frustrated. JENNY
 

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Hello again Jennie. Sorry you're having trouble. Thankfully, the cooling system is pretty simple, so it can only be one of a few things. I suspect that the cooper water uptake tube may not seating properly. It can be a pain to get lined up properly. There are a couple simple, little tests you can perform to see if all is well without having to drop the LU. Start by removing the thermostat cover and gasket, then the thermostat itself. Next, take a small cup of water and slowly pour it into the larger cavity of the t-stat housing. You should see water trickle out from behind the water intake (oval metal plate with small holes in it) found just above the anti-vent plate. If water comes out, that is a good sign and means that the tube is seated correctly on both ends. You can then pour water down the smaller cavity molded into the cylinder head. Water should now trickle out from the main exhaust port on the back of the motor that you pointed to in your earlier picture. If/when water comes out of these openings, then your cooling system should be good to go. Make sure you run the motor in a tank with plenty of water as well. If that doesn't do it, the only other thing I can think is that the small pin that catches the impeller may be missing, or faulty causing the driveshaft to spin freely within the impeller, but that would require dropping the LU. However, try the tricks I described above before you go to the trouble to drop the LU again.

Do you have any pics of your current test tank set up?
 

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I'm thinking if you only have the motor submerged like shown in the very first post. My 18 hp Evinrude owners manual shows the motor should be submerged to just below the steering bracket. You may just have to lower the motor into the water more.
 

JENNIE116LOWE

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Hi kfa, I keep telling myself the cooling system is very simple, not sure why im having so many issues with it. I have a 56 evinrude bigtwin 30 and don't think it has a thermostat. The only thing I haven't done is to pull the power head to see if the copper tube is seated properly into the grommet. I have checked the pin on the impeller several times and its OK. I watched the copper tube seat properly into the lower grommet so I know that's OK. I feel confident that everything from the impeller down is OK. Jenny
 

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If you have a pic of the power head we can see it if has a t-stat. If so, you can do the water tricks I described. Have you sprayed water up the copper tube to see if it will come out of the exhaust port?
 

Joe Reeves

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Jennie.... I've just read over all of the 29 posts and also watched your video. If that were my engine, I would go to the trouble to do the following to eliminate the problem areas although you have already performed some of the steps at least once.

Remove the powerhead from the long exhaust housing upon which it sits, and remove the cylinder head.
Remove the lower unit, then dismantle the water pump.
This gives you complete access to all areas of the water passage areas excepting the exhaust baffle area on the starboard side of the powerhead.

Lower unit: Check the incoming water passage to the water pump for blockage. check that your "new" impeller is still in "new" condition. If the impeller housing and/or plate is pitted or scored bad, they should be replaced to avoid air pocket problems... however if they're usable, use a sticky type sealer substance to seal the impeller plate to the lower unit and the housing to the plate. Bombardier 3M Product #847 sealer, available at your dealership is preferred. This assures that the water pump is a sealed unit with clear passages. Also look closely at the water tube grommet as a common error is that when installing the lower unit, the edge of the water tube has been known to hit the edge of the rubber grommet and as one shoves the lower unit upwards, the grommet folds downwards which effectively creates a shut off valve.

Powerhead: Double check all water passages with steel probes and compressed air, making sure that the water passages are clear from the powerhead base water inlet hole thru and into the cylinder cooling water passageways. Check the cylinder head water cooling areas also. Check the sealing surfaces of the cylinder head and block for worn burnt areas. If any burnt worn areas exist, that would allow the combustion to enter the water passage area to create a stalemate... combustion power going down, water coming up, the two meet and can go no further.

Look closely at the sealing surface of where the water enters the bottom of the powerhead. That area must be perfect for the water pressure to flow into the powerhead and not escape to elsewhere. If all is well, re-install the gasket if it is still in good condition and tighten the cylinder head to factory torque specifications in the following sequence.

9...10
5....6
1....2
4....3
8....7

Long Exhaust Housing: Check to make sure that the same sealing surface of the water outlet that mates up to the powerhead water inlet is also perfect. Check the water passage down thru that outlet passageway, thru the water tube grommet and tube in both directions. Also make sure that grommet has not been folded over by the water tube.

The above covers everything (There is no thermostat).

Install the powerhead, using gasket sealer on a new base gasket. Gasket sealer comes in a small can (automotive store) that has a small brush attached to its screw off cap. Install the lower unit, making sure that the water tube slides into the greased water tube grommet as it should. Now, raise that water barrel about 2"... and with the water level a couple inches above the water pump, that should do it.

Water should shoot out that outlet hole halfway down the long exhaust housing with quite a steady force.

Let us know what happens.
 

JENNIE116LOWE

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Thanks Joe, Ill order the new gaskets and sealer and go through all of the above listed steps. Might take me a while but i'll keep you posted, Thanks all, Jenny
 

JENNIE116LOWE

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OK pulled the power head and went through it with a fine tooth comb and found nothing but a lot of carbon buildup. pulled the head gasket and same thing. Checked the lower unit and everything looks good. Put all the gaskets back on and buttoned everything up. Started the motor and still no tell tale. Got upset and put on another lower unit form a 57 35 evinrude and it has a strong tell tale. So, the problem is sort of solved as I swapped out he lower unit and the 56 evinrude bigtwin 30 is ready for the water but the problem with that lower unit is still a mystery. I compared both lower units and they are identical as far as I can tell. Oh well, Ill shelve the problem lower unit until this winter and Ill revisit the problem maybe Ill spot something I have been missing. Thanks to all who have helped. Jenny
 

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Glad to hear the problem is solved BUT but not knowing how it was solved is a bummer.

My guess.... if you were using the same water pump is that a portion of the lower unit has corroded off under the pump which would allow the pump to draw air and exhaust, not water.
 

JENNIE116LOWE

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Yes I think that is probably the problem and that's where Ill start looking when i go back to working on it. I have been working on this old beauty non stop for the last 3 months and I need some time to just get out and ride around and enjoy the fruits of my labor LOL Thanks Joe
 
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