no wake zone question

[Chip73]

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You do know that he was replying to the post by 'mercressientwrench' about the "soccer mom" boater right? He wasnt ripping on '22E461' who posted the thread. I could see where the confusion would lie there. And Im only mentioning it because TD has given me some helpful info in the past.

I guess I am way out of the loop but my response still stands though. There just seems to be certain individuals around here that make it miserable for new boaters or anyone that is not "holier than thou" Maybe a boycott of iboats is in-order until the "gods" are reigned in. I go to other forums where people really make an effort to help people and the attitude level is very low. I feel welcome there, not so here which in-turn makes me not want to spend a dime here and I havent. I just bought my boat so I spent a pretty good amount of money this year getting it sea worthy. If you take just ten people like me that wont spend here because of the attitudes and "I am better then you" attitudes of TD and others that adds up.

 

[Marcq]

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I guess I am way out of the loop but my response still stands though. There just seems to be certain individuals around here that make it miserable for new boaters or anyone that is not "holier than thou" Maybe a boycott of iboats is in-order until the "gods" are reigned in. I go to other forums where people really make an effort to help people and the attitude level is very low. I feel welcome there, not so here which in-turn makes me not want to spend a dime here and I havent. I just bought my boat so I spent a pretty good amount of money this year getting it sea worthy. If you take just ten people like me that wont spend here because of the attitudes and "I am better then you" attitudes of TD and others that adds up.

Chip, don't understand why you're saying this, I find this place really friendly, a year ago I knew absolutely nothing about boats, nothing, with out the help of those guys, I wouldn't be boating right now. I have learn so much, that now I can actually help others, sometimes It's no wonder guys like tashasdaddy have high post count, they're often the first one to reply when somebody needs help

Don't forget, there's people from all over the country/world that come here, with different personality, those English guys have a wicked sense of humour

Marc..

 

[snuffy45]

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Chip73 where are the other forums, I ask a simple question and get talked down to, experinced it every question. figured it was because they hand out rank here and you know what that does to the head.

 

[Marcq]

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Chip73 where are the other forums, I ask a simple question and get talked down to, experinced it every question. figured it was because they hand out rank here and you know what that does to the head.

snuffy, I just look at your previous post where you needed help, your putting down people that tried to help you !!

Marc..

 

[Chip73]

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Chip, don't understand why you're saying this, I find this place really friendly, a year ago I knew absolutely nothing about boats, nothing, with out the help of those guys, I wouldn't be boating right now. I have learn so much, that now I can actually help others, sometimes It's no wonder guys like tashasdaddy have high post count, they're often the first one to reply when somebody needs help

Don't forget, there's people from all over the country/world that come here, with different personality, those English guys have a wicked sense of humour

Marc..

It is all in perception. I perceive what I posted. Some guys are quick to post and help but some like to just talk down to people. Only my observation. Nothing I can do about it, not spend any cashol'a here but that is about it.

 

[Chip73]

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Chip73 where are the other forums, I ask a simple question and get talked down to, experinced it every question. figured it was because they hand out rank here and you know what that does to the head.

I have a Bayliner so I live on the BOC, just Google it. Even if you dont have a Bayliner they will love to help you out.

 

[snuffy45]

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snuffy, I just look at your previous post where you needed help, your putting down people that tried to help you !!

Marc..

seems to me like a simple answer will do with out the no brainer comment, if that was the only way he had to answer then he didn't need to pipe in. ask for simple info, already thought something might be wrong with switch. didn't mean to offend just got caught up in all about no wake and smart answers, and yes I have had some. but never got the simple question answered about a test. I'm just a cadet.

 

[22E6441]

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wow. what the heck did I start? I was just curious about no wake zones....

drama.

I've found these forums helpful and informative, but have seen some harsh responses on some threads.

Now...back to my question you thread hijackers!

 

[QC]

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OK, I'll take a new poke at your original question . . .

Based on your drawing, a boat traveling downriver (assuming that is what the biggest arrow depicts), with the buoys on the Starboard side, or a boat traveling upriver with the buoys on the port side can travel as fast as is otherwise legal on that stretch of river. Once you cross the imaginary line created by the buoys traveling towards the marina, you must reduce your speed to "wakeless".

This thread caught my attention as I had an argument with my BIL just yesterday regarding the definition of "wakeless". I contended that it is minimum speed to maintain steerage. He claimed that the local LEOs (Havasu) told him it is any speed below that which caused your wake to "curl", which I contend is ludicrous . . . This has been debated here before . . . I am sure that the speed limit (if there is one) comes into play somehow, but I also believe this is far from cut and dried even if we get help from a Coastie . . .

 

[45Auto]

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He claimed that the local LEOs (Havasu) told him it is any speed below that which caused your wake to "curl"

Try that around here (southern Louisiana) and expect a big stack of tickets! To the LEO's here "no wake" means that the water is dead flat behind your boat. My boat idles at about 3 MPH, a couple of weeks ago I had a jetski idle past me in a "no wake" zone pulling about a 2" tall wake. He got about 50 feet ahead of me over a 1/2 mile length of the "no wake" zone, so he was only going just over 3 MPH. Sheriff's deputy was sitting in a boat just around a bend and pulled him over, was writing the ticket as I went by. They are super strict about that around here, lots of high-dollar taxpayer homes on the waterfront ........

Here's the link to the Louisiana definition of no wake:

"Idle Speed" or "No Wake" Speed: This is the slowest speed at which it is still possible to maintain steering and which does not produce a wake.

http://www.boat-ed.com/la/handbook/oper.htm

here's a link to the Arizona law, QC:

No Wake or Wakeless speed means a speed that does not create a wake and is never in excess of five miles per hour.

http://www.boat-ed.com/az/handbook/oper.htm

 

[NYJim]

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Chip, don't understand why you're saying this, I find this place really friendly, a year ago I knew absolutely nothing about boats, nothing, with out the help of those guys, I wouldn't be boating right now. I have learn so much, that now I can actually help others, sometimes It's no wonder guys like tashasdaddy have high post count, they're often the first one to reply when somebody needs help

Don't forget, there's people from all over the country/world that come here, with different personality, those English guys have a wicked sense of humour

Marc..

I agree, have not boated for 30 years. Just got back into it last year and if it werent for all the advise and help, I would have sunk, crashed, mishandled and never have gotten the boat running in the first place.
Jim

 

[QC]

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here's a link to the Arizona law, QC:

No Wake or Wakeless speed means a speed that does not create a wake and is never in excess of five miles per hour.

Yeah, and I believe there is even a local ordinance regarding the "Bridgewater Channel" which is the Channel under London Bridge, and the area we were discussing. Typical in-law discussion, I have a ton of information in my head from a ton of references (iboats forum members) and of course the wife gets involved and "you (me) are full of carp because it is my big brother and he lives here and you are a know-it-all puke" Not really that bad, but I cannot "win" these discussions . . .

 

[mainexile]

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It is all in perception. I perceive what I posted. Some guys are quick to post and help but some like to just talk down to people. Only my observation. Nothing I can do about it, not spend any cashol'a here but that is about it.

Perception, observation, opinion, etc. They're all like recta: everyone has one; some are better than others; they're all gonna stink at some point. For every "perceived" transgression you've endured, there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of helpful responses in these fora.

 

[Nandy]

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I?ve been boating nearly fifty years and never heard this from another boater or in a safety course. Everyone here planes right up to the No Wake zone buoy line then drops to idle. Thought I better double check the Oklahoma handbook, but can find no mention of a buffer zone around a non-lateral marker buoy. Seems like it would be easier if in NC they?d set the buoy line 100? further out so you have a very clear boundary line ? like a speed limit sign on the road that takes effect only past the sign.

I was mistaken. A lot of the swimming areas has the no wake zone, maybe there is where I got the confusion...

From the North Carolina Boating Regulations
"No person shall operate a personal watercraft on the waters of this State at greater than no-wake speed within 100 feet of an anchored or moored vessel, a dock, pier, swimfloat,marked swimming area, swimmers, surfers, persons engaged angling, or any manually operated propelled vessel (except within 50 feet in a narrow channel)."

 

[jevery]

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Our Oklahoma handbook states,

Shall not operate, a vessel at greater than ?no wake? or idle speed within 150 feet of:
Any boat ramp
A dock or pier
An anchored or moored vessel
Operate a vessel on public waters at speeds greater than 10 miles per hour within 50 feet of another vessel

I always try give at least 200 ft leeway other boats, anchored, drifting, or underway, but sometimes pass fairly close to private docks when hugging a shoreline on windy days. Didn't even know I was violating the law.

Thanks for helping me learn something today, might save me a ticket

 

[rockyrude]

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Chip, if you feel you are being talked down to then you are misreading replies, there are many knowledgable and courteous people ready to help with T.D. ranked near the top of the list( sorry T.D. you're tied with two others). To rank on these people shows you might need to word questions differntly to get clearer answers.

 

[ovrrdrive]

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The simple answer to the original question has already been posted. Those are illegal buoys and you don't have to do anything at all if you don't want to. In that situation I would stay on the far side of them and keep on plane at full speed. Out of respect for what the marina is trying to do, I wouldn't go on plane to the right of them unless something prevented me from going around the other side, but I typically don't pay a whole lot of attention to private no-wake markers.

As already mentioned, if it was that easy you'd never be able to get on plane anywhere but open ocean.

And as for the whining in this thread, give me a break. This is a discussion forum and I've never been pressured to spend a dime here or anywhere else for that matter and never will. Chip, if its so bad here why do you bother?

You only have a few posts so do yourself a favor and cut the strings now before you have a lot vested in this place. With your attitude it's only going to cause you stress. If I were you I'd leave here now.

People that think this place is bad should go over to Pirate 4x4 and ask how to change spark plugs. This place is a carnival compared to that one.

 

[QC]

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How'd you determine those are illegal buoys?

 

[KeyWestBoater]

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I wish those folks would respect the no wake around anchored vessels when I'm fishing out of the way. Of course I wouldn't try to anchor in a main channel. I think some are ignorant in regarding this part of the no-wake rule.

 

[Chip73]

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Chip, if you feel you are being talked down to then you are misreading replies, there are many knowledgable and courteous people ready to help with T.D. ranked near the top of the list( sorry T.D. you're tied with two others). To rank on these people shows you might need to word questions differntly to get clearer answers.

You know I am sure the police that beat Rodney King helped a few people out here and there.