No water coming out of the exhaust on muffs

Scott06

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No, it’s a 160° thermostat; part number 807252Q5.
yeah typically Ive seen with a 140 thermostat the engine runs 150-155, my newer boat with a 160 is 170-175 depending on lake temp. If you have an IR gun check temps, likely the gauge is a little inaccurate- they are just made for an in the ballpark indication.
 

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yeah typically Ive seen with a 140 thermostat the engine runs 150-155, my newer boat with a 160 is 170-175 depending on lake temp. If you have an IR gun check temps, likely the gauge is a little inaccurate- they are just made for an in the ballpark indication.
Gotcha, i was reading online about the 140 and 160, originally i had bought the 140 but sent it back due to the fact that i was seeing everyone else with 160’s for lake use.
 

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I have used both the dual feed ones and the round Merc ones with the metal rod clamp and found the Merc ones much better. They are softer rubber & conform better to the shape of the lower unit. The rubber on the dual feed ones was way too stiff to seal well. The engine ran consistently cooler with the Merc ones.
I will give them a look.
 

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Drill holes? I have the muffs with the rod, Never had to drill holes to use them?
I had to drill a hole in each plastic intake plate on my outdrive for the wire to pass through (Mercruiser MC-1). The intake holes themselves don't work due to internal interference. But there is clearance if one drills holes in the plastic , which is what one has to do.

Totally worth it though, once it's installed, no worries about it sliding off. Money well spent.
 

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Today I had the same problem you had, steam coming out from the center of the prop with the ear muffs on, I shut her down after a few minutes, the temp climbed to 175. I then took the lower end off and found my impeller was wiped out (pic below), and also oddly the water tube was laying in the bottom of the lower end. Argghh. I'm thinking the water tube fell off, I'm not sure what happened. Regardless im changing the impeller tomorrow. I just hope there's no pieces of rubber that's gonna clog the system. Here's a pic of the wiped out impeller.😵‍💫

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Today I had the same problem you had, steam coming out from the center of the prop with the ear muffs on, I shut her down after a few minutes, the temp climbed to 175. I then took the lower end off and found my impeller was wiped out (pic below), and also oddly the water tube was laying in the bottom of the lower end. Argghh. I'm thinking the water tube fell off, I'm not sure what happened. Regardless im changing the impeller tomorrow. I just hope there's no pieces of rubber that's gonna clog the system. Here's a pic of the wiped out impeller.😵‍💫

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Fire sure they are in the system. If you have ps they will be in the cooler, otherwise end up in thermostat housing. Best to use oem impellers in my experince. If exhaust got hot water tube maybe have melted rubber ends and fallen off or was misplaced when reassembled. If water wasn’t flowing up to engine exhaust will be hot and melt every thing
 

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Fire sure they are in the system. If you have ps they will be in the cooler, otherwise end up in thermostat housing. Best to use oem impellers in my experince. If exhaust got hot water tube maybe have melted rubber ends and fallen off or was misplaced when reassembled. If water wasn’t flowing up to engine exhaust will be hot and melt every thing
Everything looked good, no melting etc. I don't use a T Stat, so I guess that's one less thing to worry about with respect to clogging up there.
 

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I didn't know this, my engine is a rebuilt 1985 Mercruiser 140 HP it's not a newer engine. Does it make a difference?
Nope. You want the engine up to operating temp. Oil thins with heat; what oil to use is partially based on what temp the crankcase will be operating at, hence old engines like my 1976 Mercruiser 888 (302) calling out three different weights depending on water temps (as back then, good multiweight oils didn't exist yet). Even with multiweight oils, they still have temperature-dependent viscosity (just not as extreme as a straight grade oil).

Also, increased temperature helps with efficiency (increased reactivity of combustion)... and if you have a carb with an electric-only choke, you may have running issues as well due to the electric choke assuming normal warmup behavior. This is largely why cars typically run much hotter T-stats than boats; if a boat could safely run hotter, they'd be set up in such a way.

So yes, you want a 140 T-stat in there for actual running. The only time I'd omit a T-stat was in a pinch (stuck T-stat overheating things) or if trying to flush the cooling system (which is more of an automotive-closed loop thing to clean old antifreeze and other junk out).
 

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Running the engine cold is bad because the oil never gets hot enough to boil off any moisture condensation or fuel dilution which often happens in cool running marine engines. Water and fuel in the oil will increase wear. Even under optimal conditions the engine runs cooler than the automotive engines they are based on by approx 40-50*F. And if you have an auto choke that depends on engine temp to open (like the ones with older Rochester carbs) the auto choke will never open, further increasing fuel dilution and engine wear.
A typical marine raw water cooling system has excess capacity. The thermostat functions as a gate valve, opening when it should to keep the engine at its designed running temp of 140-160 if a 140 stat, and 160-175 if it has a 160 stat.
 

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Nope. You want the engine up to operating temp. Oil thins with heat; what oil to use is partially based on what temp the crankcase will be operating at, hence old engines like my 1976 Mercruiser 888 (302) calling out three different weights depending on water temps (as back then, good multiweight oils didn't exist yet). Even with multiweight oils, they still have temperature-dependent viscosity (just not as extreme as a straight grade oil).

Also, increased temperature helps with efficiency (increased reactivity of combustion)... and if you have a carb with an electric-only choke, you may have running issues as well due to the electric choke assuming normal warmup behavior. This is largely why cars typically run much hotter T-stats than boats; if a boat could safely run hotter, they'd be set up in such a way.

So yes, you want a 140 T-stat in there for actual running. The only time I'd omit a T-stat was in a pinch (stuck T-stat overheating things) or if trying to flush the cooling system (which is more of an automotive-closed loop thing to clean old antifreeze and other junk out).

Hey, can you or anyone here on the forum advise what plastic part this, is and where does it go, it came with the kit. For the life of me I don't know where it goes. (Photo below). One end is a normal circumference, the other end has a lip as shown standing up. I'm thinking maybe it fits over the shift housing in the upper part of the stern drive, it's to narrow for the water tube. Thanks
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I'm pretty sure I had one donut on the water tube, and another on the input shaft itself. The shifter (at least on my MC-1) was outside the outdrive casing, using a slotted slip joint that had to be lined up for the lower unit to fully seat on the upper (drove me nuts the first time, I tell you).
 

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Hey, can you or anyone here on the forum advise what plastic part this, is and where does it go, it came with the kit. For the life of me I don't know where it goes. (Photo below). One end is a normal circumference, the other end has a lip as shown standing up. I'm thinking maybe it fits over the shift housing in the upper part of the stern drive, it's to narrow for the water tube. Thanks
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water outlet tube either on end of plastic pump housing or up in underside of upper where water tube lands. might be better to start your own thread vs clogging this one
 

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Today I had the same problem you had, steam coming out from the center of the prop with the ear muffs on, I shut her down after a few minutes, the temp climbed to 175. I then took the lower end off and found my impeller was wiped out (pic below), and also oddly the water tube was laying in the bottom of the lower end. Argghh. I'm thinking the water tube fell off, I'm not sure what happened. Regardless im changing the impeller tomorrow. I just hope there's no pieces of rubber that's gonna clog the system. Here's a pic of the wiped out impeller.😵‍💫

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ran it for about 10 minutes at the lake at idle, and it never got above 150ish, i did end up getting the oem muffs for when i want to start it at home. I am still getting the white smoke and rough idle even at the lake, gonna rebuild my carb and hope. Where you also getting a rough idle?
 

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ran it for about 10 minutes at the lake at idle, and it never got above 150ish, i did end up getting the oem muffs for when i want to start it at home. I am still getting the white smoke and rough idle even at the lake, gonna rebuild my carb and hope. Where you also getting a rough idle?

FWIW- Mike's Carburetors on YouTube helped me out tremendously to do my rebuild. Mercruiser Alpha One Gen One Carb.

 

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Hence why I made the switch. They're not terribly expensive and seal a lot better. Sure, having to drill holes kinda stinks, but it's not rocket surgery.
A couple of things maybe to look at before diving into carb

Empty the fuel filter into a jar and look for debris and water contamination

Is your timing at spec

What do the spark plugs look like ? Cap and rotor in good shape ? Wires?

Is choke opening fully and have you tried adjusting idle mix and idle speed

If you need carb kit miles is excellent and has great YouTube channel
 

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A couple of things maybe to look at before diving into carb

Empty the fuel filter into a jar and look for debris and water contamination

Is your timing at spec

What do the spark plugs look like ? Cap and rotor in good shape ? Wires?

Is choke opening fully and have you tried adjusting idle mix and idle speed

If you need carb kit miles is excellent and has great YouTube channel
I have not done any of this, I will look at it all before hand, thanks!
 

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A couple of things maybe to look at before diving into carb

Empty the fuel filter into a jar and look for debris and water contamination

Is your timing at spec

What do the spark plugs look like ? Cap and rotor in good shape ? Wires?

Is choke opening fully and have you tried adjusting idle mix and idle speed

If you need carb kit miles is excellent and has great YouTube channel
This exact order?
 
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