No water coming out the pisser hole

StmGod

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I have a problem with my new used 2005 50 HP Mercury 4 stroke, serial # 1B170014, model 50ELPTEFI. I purchased this slightly used motor a couple of months ago and the last time out it stopped expelling water out the pisser hole. I did not get a high tempature alarm, so I think that the motor is OK and want to replace the water pump impeller. I did get into a sandbar and stirred up a good bit of sand. I checked the tale tale with a wire tie and could get it in a good 8" so I know that that part of the line is clear. I don't have a manual for the motor yet, couldn't find one for a 2005 model. I need just a little help on dropping the lower unit, I see four 5/8" bolts that hold the lower unit to the upper unit, I also see two 10MM bolts that are in the upper unit just above the fit of the two units. Not having a manual makes what is supposed to be an easy job difficult. The dealers here in SW Florida charge $95 an hour to do the job and I have to wait almost two weeks till they have an opening. The estimate they gave me was $225. If I can get a little help I know I can do the job, I don't know if I should just change the impeller or do a whole cooling water pump kit job. Also these guys want $105 for a water pump kit. It looks like they are a lot cheaper from boatfix.com but I don't know the part #. Oh yah, the dealers recommend that the water pump is changed every year. A little help on this would be greatly appreciated.
 

emckelvy

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Re: No water coming out the pisser hole

If you have an air compressor you might try blowing air up the telltale, this is an effective way of getting rid of clogs all the way back to the block.

You might also consider pulling the thermostat and checking for debris/obstructions.

One other thing you can try is, with the thermostat out and the 'stat cover removed, start the motor on the flusher for a short period of time and see if you get water spilling out the thermostat hole. At least then you'll know if you're getting water up to the powerhead.

Don't run for extended periods like this as the water may not circulate completely thru the powerhead with the 'stat cover removed.

You may want to just replace the thermostat for good measure and you'll probably need a cover gasket; you can look up parts online at www.mercurypartsexpress.com

HTH & let us know what happens.......ed
 

Texasmark

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Re: No water coming out the pisser hole

That engine should have thermostat and pressure control. Stand behind the engine and look at the water jacket where the 3 sparkplugs are (covers the whole rear of the powerhead). The water jacket will be a flat surface except for one area where a small (1" x 2" sorta thing) cover is installed on it. Under that small cover is the stat and pressure relief. The stat can be checked in a pot of water slowly heated to the boiling point with a candy thermometer to monitor water temp. I wouldn't worry too much about getting the exact temp (accuracy); just the fact that it opens in the general area of temp that it is supposed to.

Somewhere on the pellet of the stat (that goes toward the engine) is a number. Mine is stamped 120 for 120F opening temp. You should also have a brown (brown/blue) wire going to the same water jacket where the overtemp sensor is located but probably in the center of the cover near #2 cylinder. Mine is set for 195F so I'd assume you'rs would be there too.

The engine works like this. If you are running the engine forward in the water, or are above about 2500 rpm's adequate pressure is generated by the inrushing water to unseat the pressure relief valve.....stat has nothing to do with this per se. The stat is there to keep your powerhead warm when you are at slower speeds.

So if you are below the pressures mentioned water is trapped in the powerhead till the stat opens. If it doesn't open, the power head temp will rist to the warning sensor temp and you will get a solid beep audible overtemp alarm.......which is what happened to me, on my current engine, when the stat stuck closed first time I had it out (2002 used engine).

Since you did not experience an overtemp condition (alarm) I'm going to assume the stat and pressure relief valve are ok, but it probably wouldn't hurt to pull them out, inspect and while the hole is open, check the condition of your engine's water passages and run the test of the water pump that emck....mentioned above. The water passages should be clear of any foreign matter, scale and the like.

My engine is a 90 which is not exactly the same but you can find your way around knowing what you are looking for.

Unless you completely dug the lower unit into the sand, above the gearbox, your egine shouldn't know that you were there as the water pickup holes are well above and forward of churned up crud...............not like OMC used to be 30+ years ago where the water pickup was directly behind the blades of the prop. Besides, the sand would come in with water (cooling and lubricant) and for a short time that should not be that big of a deal.
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Trace out your pee hose and see where it goes. Mine goes to the exhaust manifold water jacket (big flat plate on port side of engine). As a result, mine pees as long as the engine is running (once the water pump has had time to pick up some water); has nothing to do with the stat. If yours comes out there also, same rule applies.

I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions that your impeller is bad. Your engine is only 2 model years old and I know others say change it every 2 years, I don't change mine till it needs it......but my engine does not sit up for any period of time and at least every week I tap the starter to keep it (the impeller) repositioned so it won't develop a "set" in the blades. Since you mentioned Florida, would doubt that yours sits up either. I have been boating since the '50's and have never taken out an impeller that needed it. That's why I developed my current attitude towards them.

The exhaust water jacket is supplied with water in a separate path from the cylinders since exhaust is present whenever the engine is running and the manifold must be cooled constantly. So, you might remove the rt angle fitting on the manifold cover and inspect for foreign objects and while out blow out the fitting and your pee tube. Might run emck....'s test again just for grins.

If all that is clean and you still don't have water coming out then I'd say bite the bullet and do your impeller thing and the last time I was in a Merc pump, the innards were stainless steel so all you need is the impeller.....especially on a 2 year old engine. Iboats has them for about $10.
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Engines can have bolts on the side (one or two per side), may have a bolt in the very front (obvious if it has it), and some have a bolt hidden under the trim tab (have to remove it and look up in the hole it left to see it....usually a hex socket). I'd mark the location of the tab to get it set back where it was when you reinstall, and look before I tried to separate the sections to determine if one is there. It won't separate if it is and you don't find it.

It's a pretty straight forward process; just pay attention to what you take out and where it was; also notice the direction of the blades when you remove the water pump cover.....a little soapy water or vaseline really helps to get the new impeller blades bent and back under the cover upon reinstallation.

Last, insure that the water outlet tube makes it into the hole in the bottom of the powerhead (where the water goes from the pump to the engine) and you will have to rotate the splines of the drive shaft or rotate the crankshaft to get them to mesh with the powerhead.

Don't move the gear shifter lever or the shifter spline while separated. That will insure that you don't have to realign that upon reassy.

Sorry for being so long winded, but some things take some explaining.

HTH

Mark
 

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Re: No water coming out the pisser hole

Geez, I can't believe the length of that post and I forgot something. On mine, I was careful with the gasket on the stat-press rel cover during removal (not too many tears) and was able to reuse it with a moderate application of blue RTV. If you have a new one fine but if you don't have to buy any parts then no need to wait for just the gasket to arrive.

Mark
 

StmGod

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Re: No water coming out the pisser hole

That was one great reply Mark, you were not long winded at all. I had tried to drop the lower unit but couldn't get it to separate, I'll try again with your reply to guide me. I'll also check the other things that you said to do. The motor was new 4/14/06 and the guy died shortly after (less than 3 months) and then his widow sold it to a dealer. I bought it 10/31/06, but I do have to admit that I got hung up a lot in the shallows, mostly sand. The tale tale was good before my last outlng and after about a 2 hour outing, there was no water coming out. I want to check out everything you told me to check and I'll get back to you. A repairman also told me sand is harder on the ware plate than the impleller. Thank you, thank you, for your help. From what you said and what to look for I have something to go on.
 

StmGod

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Re: No water coming out the pisser hole

Guess what, I checked the thermostat by using a cup of water (heated for 2 min) then poured it into a plastic container with the thermostat in it, did it twice and it didn't open. I'm at our winter residence and don't have many tools, so I used a pool thermometer momentarily, it went above 120 right away so I pulled it out, didn't want to break it. I would estimate the temp to be between 160 & 180 degrees and it wouldn't open it The thermostat doesn't have a stamped number on it. I feel pretty sure that the thermstat is bad. According to Mark, it still should have put water out the pee hole so I still have some digging around to do. I want to check out the alarm circuit to make sure it's working and do some tracing of the pee hole tubing. So far I haven't found any evidence of blockage other than the thermostat. If you think of anything else to check send me another post. Thanks for all the help, I'll let you know what else I find.
 

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Re: No water coming out the pisser hole

You can check here on iboats for stats as they have quite an assortment. Son's 150 V6 uses 143 F which is the highest I have seen. If it uses the same 195F overtemp sensor as mine that doesn't leave you (him) much room for variances in equipment and operating conditions.

I'd say if your water was around 160 to 180 and the stat had time to sense it (several minutes at that temp) then it looks to me like you found your problem.

Mark
 
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