NY Saltwater license

dingbat

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Without credentials, attending those meetings is just waste of energy. Been there done that. This whole process was passed without a lot of publicity. I am sure that the special interest groups wanted it that way. I'm not sure that I'll get over this one, and that is not charastic of me. The whole thing stinks.

I have to disagree with you on the credential thing. Twice in the last 2 years, new regulations that where thought to be done deals where reversed when the process was opened up for public comment. The special interest group called "Sportfishermen" showed up in force at the both meetings and where very influential in getting the proposals amended to take into consideration the complaints of the Sport fishermen. The process works but you have to participate to make it work.
 

KRH1326

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I have been following this whole thing as best I can. I may be mislead, but I think that this scenario is acurrate and to the point.

The Fed required a "registry" of recreational anglers plying our ocean/salt/marine waters. NYS took it upon itself, to aid our all but bankrupt budget by making it a "liscense". We would be hit for $ 10 on Oct 1 then $10 again on Jan 1.

They stated that the proceeds would go to improving our marine resources, and would go to a specific fund just for that. I didn't REALLY have a problem with that.

Then on the QT, un-heralded, they transfered the DEC salary payable account to this specific fund. These proceeds will now only be used for this.
That I have a problem with.

Sen. Skelos has begun collecting e-signatures to begin legislation to undo this mess, and establish the registry that was requested in the 1st place.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHplM3VfR3QySUFzQVhXQlM0eXlLZWc6MA

Suffolk County Police Marine Unit will not be enforcing this liscense. I believe that the USGC will not be either. Supposedly DEC will be on thier own in this enforcement.

I did not buy a liscense in Oct, nor will I in Jan or even in April when my boat gets wet again.
 
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dingbat

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If anglers are not licensed or registered by a state that has been exempted and want to fish in federal waters, they will be required to register with NOAA. They must also register if they fish in tidal waters for migratory fish such as striped bass and salmon that spawn in rivers and spend their adult lives in estuaries and oceans.

Federal saltwater angler registrations will include an angler?s name, date of birth, address, telephone number, and the regions where they intend to fish. This information will be used by NOAA to conduct surveys on fishing effort and amounts of fish caught. Once anglers have registered, they may fish anywhere in U.S. federal waters, or in tidal waters for anadromous species, regardless of the region or regions they specified in their registration. The registration will be valid for one year from its date of issue. Anglers must comply with applicable state licensing requirements when fishing in state waters.

Saltwater anglers will be able to register online or by calling a toll-free telephone number that will be publicized, and will receive a registration certificate. Anglers will need to carry this certificate (or their state license from an exempt state) and produce it to an authorized enforcement officer if requested. No fee will be charged in 2010. An estimated fee of $15 to $25 per angler will be charged starting in 2011.

Anglers who fish only on licensed party, charter, or guide boats would not be required to register with NOAA since these vessels are surveyed separately from angler surveys. Those who hold angler permits to fish for highly migratory species, such as tunas or swordfish, and those fishing under commercial fishing licenses will also be exempt. Anglers registered or permitted to fish in a formal state or federal subsistence fishery will also be exempt, as will anglers under 16.

http://www.countmyfish.noaa.gov/aboutus/organization/who_needs_angler_registry.html
 

HappierWet

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License here, License there, Permit this, Permit that. :mad:
Just means I won't have the money to help support the local economy.
No, I won't buy another freakin license.
Might as well start fishin in a concrete pond:eek:
How many coastal community's economies are dependant on tourism?;)
 

triumphrick

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Lots of complaining on this thread. Typically the biggest complainers are those that don't participate in the process then complain about the outcome.

How many of you have actually participated in the fisheries management process at least once in the past 3 years?

1. Are you a member and actively involved in a fisheries organization like the CCA, RFA, or any other local or national fisheries organization?

2. How many State or National Fisheries Management meetings have you attended in the last 3 year? They are generally open to the public for all to attend.

3. Have you activly participated in a public hearing that relates to a fisheries management proposal in the last 3 years?

Now that other coastal states are getting involved in licensing,l it may be worth looking in to the CCA. Coastal Conservation Association.

Back in the mid 90's, the gill net fishermen were decimating our inshore sportsfish..redfish, trout, snook, etc. They were heavily entrenched and had a sympathetic public opinion about them. However, they were lawless, and didn't care what came up in their nets. A group formed, the Florida Conservation Association that took them to task. We were successful in banning those nets from our inshore waters starting in 1996.
So, Dingbat makes a good point. Doing nothing will certainly give you just that...nothing.

Here is a link to the CCA.

http://www.joincca.org/
 

dingbat

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Here is your chance to make a statement about how our fisheries are being managed. Certainly everyone here that voiced an opinion has a stake in this fight.

I?ll be on the Capitol steps on February 24, 2010 in support of my fellow fisherman. Who else going?


"United We Fish" To Seek Congressional Support On February 24

December 16, 2009 - In a historic show of solidarity, recreational and commercial fishermen will gather together on the steps of the Capitol on February 24, 2010 from noon until 3 p.m. in an organized demonstration against the unintended negative impacts of the Magnuson Stevens Conservation and Management Act (MSA), the federal fisheries law which was revised in January of 2007. Coordinating the march under the flag of United We Fish, rally organizers are hoping to see a large show of force in defense of coastal communities.

"The closures keep coming and it's good to see the collective fishing communities and industries, both recreational and commercial, calling for scientific based Magnuson reform," said Jim Donofrio, Executive Director of the Recreational Fishing Alliance (RFA). "We are all in this together." Donofrio cited recent closures of amberjack, black sea bass and red snapper fisheries as examples of what he calls a "broken" federal fisheries law.

The groups organized through United We Fish are hoping to prove to legislators just how many American anglers and business owners are truly being impacted by the overly restrictive management requirements created by MSA based on non scientific arbitrary deadlines. According to Bob Zales of the Conservation Cooperative of Gulf Fishermen (CCGF), the time-specific deadlines mandated by MSA coupled with flawed data collection methods are forcing anglers off the water. "We fully support real science based management and the conservation of our marine resources while also being able to sustain recreational and commercial fishing activities, providing locally caught seafood, sustaining small family businesses, and supporting our coastal communities."

This effort is being coordinated by many organizations and individuals including but not limited to the RFA, CCGF, United Boatmen of New York, United Boatmen of New Jersey, New York Sportfishing Federation, Maryland Saltwater Sportfishermen's Association and the Fishing Rights Alliance. "Some people have asked 'why, it's winter'," said Donofrio who said he's gotten the required permits and expects a large crowd in DC on February 24th, regardless of weather. "We can't let seasons stop the momentum, and if we wait any longer none of us will be fishing. Many members of Congress will be standing shoulder to shoulder with us," Donofrio said.

Nils Stolpe, a consultant to the commercial fishing industry and columnist for SavingSeafood.org said that over the past three decades since the original Magnuson Act was established, fishermen have been gradually phased out of the fisheries management process, regardless of sector. "The scientists have been put in charge, and as the list of closures and restrictions up above painfully demonstrates, the Act has been turned into a weapon that is now being used against fishermen and fishing communities."

U.S. Rep. Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ) first introduced the Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2008 in the 110th Congress to incorporate "limited flexibility" into federal fisheries management. More than 100 fishing groups and industry members from around the country pledged their support for the legislation and the bill's 19 bipartisan coastal cosponsors, but the bill languished during the volatile economic climate in advance of the presidential elections in November of 2008.

Realizing that fisheries closures would continue without congressional intervention, in March of this year, Rep. Pallone and fellow Representatives John Adler (D-NJ), Henry Brown, Jr. (R-SC), Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL), Barney Frank (D-MA), Walter B. Jones, Jr. (R-NC), Patrick Kennedy (D-RI), Frank LoBiondo (D-NJ), Mike McIntyre (D-NC), Michael Michaud (D-ME), Solomon Ortiz (D-TX) and John Tierney (D-MA), reintroduced the Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2009 (HR 1584). Twenty-five total co-sponsors have since pledged support to date including Rob Andrews (D-NJ), Timothy Bishop (D-NY), Allen Boyd (D-FL), Joe Courtney (D-CT), Peter King (R-NY), Rob Wittman (R-VA), Jo Bonner (R-AL), John Mica (R-FL), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH), Clifford Stearns (R-FL), Donna Christensen (D-VI), Gus Bilirakis (R-FL), and Ander Crenshaw (R-FL).

Following a letter-writing campaign by the RFA-NY and members of the New York Sportfishing Federation, senior Democratic Senator Charles Schumer of New York announced his Senate version of the bill (S.1255). Currently, the Senate bill to correct the flaws in MSA has no co-sponsors, which is something United We Fish organizers are hoping will change in February.

"New York's Senator Schumer is as concerned about his fishing constituents as he is about the fish, just as Congressmen Pallone, Frank, Jones, LoBiondo, Kennedy, Adler and others in the House of Representatives are," said Stolpe. "Hence they have formed the nucleus of a growing movement in Congress that, in spite of the editorial opinion of the New York Times and the expenditure of many millions of dollars by the Pew Charitable Trusts, is aimed at preserving recreational and commercial fishing, the lifestyles of millions of fishermen, and the tens of thousands of businesses and hundreds of fishing communities that they support," Stolpe added.

Organizers from within the recreational fishing sector are hoping to get commitment from all user groups and across varied state and regional boundaries. "This is much bigger than any one state issue or individual grievance," said RFA's Managing Director Jim Hutchinson, Jr. "Whether it's our restrictive fluke fishery in New York, the arbitrary closure of state waters for our anglers in California, or the shutdown of red snapper and amberjack down south, our community has been divided by preservationist tactics for too long. It's time to unite the clans in defense of our coastal heritage and traditions," Hutchinson said.

"We need to let Congress and NOAA know that we are the collective voice of the recreational fishing community and the collective voice does not accept the current broken management system which wreaks such havoc on all of us and our businesses," said Donofrio, adding "The goal on February 24th will be to get all of our congressional friends to attend."

"At this point Senator Schumer and his Congressional colleagues in the House deserve the thanks and the support of every one of us who fishes, whether for fun or profit," said Stolpe.
 

HappierWet

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Now there's something positive (if anything political is positive) to see a coalition of sportsmen and ( unfortunately imo ) commercial fishers telling our elected representatives their views. Or at least demonstrating communal displeasure:rolleyes:
I'll see if I can get out of work, but typically this is the start of our busy season.:(

I resent the ^%@* out of being forced into a position of having to buy another license. I already buy a Pa resident with trout stamp, a Md Chesapeake bay license (non-resident), occasionally a NJ and/or a De license both non-resident.
This in addition to the Money for all the incidentals that go with Boating and Fishing with a family. I know I am ranting, and I'm sure everyone here Understands what I am driving at......Just because we have a boat doesn't mean we're all lighting cigars with hundred dollar bills.
 

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Not to detract from the commentary about yet another license/fee being required...

Just an FYI... As a a member of the military or retiree residing in-state, we're entitled to the Florida Sportsman Gold license at a total cost of $20 annually. That is one sweet deal for those of us who gave our all!!! You have to go to your county tax office to apply.
 

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Not to detract from the commentary about yet another license/fee being required...

Just an FYI... As a a member of the military or retiree residing in-state, we're entitled to the Florida Sportsman Gold license at a total cost of $20 annually. That is one sweet deal for those of us who gave our all!!! You have to go to your county tax office to apply.

I am not a member of the military and I do NOT see it as a "sweet deal" @ $20 to those that laid it on the line for us, the very least that should be done is that it should be free as the freedom that they helped provide for us.
 
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Scode68

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Not looking to get in a ***-for-tat here, but what are we getting for this $10 License? Nothing.
It's just a revenue generator.

Thats the thing, none of that money is going back into restocking, studies, education,...etc...

It goes right into NYs general coffers.:mad:
 

KRH1326

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Well, I still will not purchase this crock of crap license. I have been in contact with so many others that will not, as well. There is an enforcement issue. The CG will not be enforcing, and supposedly not harbor masters and such.

I understand that the south shore guys have to deal with it because they park, or four wheel access from state parks, and the state park police have them in thier sights.

N.Y.S. NEEDS AN ENEMA !
 
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levittownnick

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Does anyony know the penelty in NY for fishing without a license?
 

JDs Dorsett

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sorry I can't answer that, but I can tell you in Ca. it 750.00 for not having one, and if you are caught with fish, you are fined for each one, furthermore, if it is an undersized fish, you are fined for that, and if it is protected, it is in the thousands of dollars.and falls under the fed. law. we hate to have to pay 46.00 this year to fish in fresh and saltwater,combined cost, including the 3.00 enhancement stamp. everything costs, but it costs more if you are not legal, the guys on here that do not want to pay to have thier lic. I understand the beef. but if they get caught they will wish they had. maybe NY dosn't have any funds to put someone out there to bust people that are fishing illegaly, then I guess they will get away with it, but it's not fair to those that do. everyone draws thier own line, and writes thier own checks. just my opinion
 

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This was written in response to the guy above named Cribber...you should never have to pay for a fishing lic. nor should any inlisted or retired servicemen that fought for all our freedom. nice of you to share the info though, God bless all our guys in or out of service!
 

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Here in NC, our license fees go into improving public boat ramps and tagging & sampling studies for multiple species. Everyone seemed to whine alot when the coastal license was required for saltwater in addition to the general fishing license in the beginning, but now its the norm and I don't mind a few dollars going towards this annually.

Unfortunately, our state has the least regulation as far as commercial fisherman, even from out-of-state, from raping our waters.

Join CCA
 

Scode68

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The CG will not be enforcing, and supposedly not harbor masters and such.

Last season there were guys from the Fish & Game Commission out on jet skis checking fish sizes and limits in NY waters. I don't know exactly who they were because I didn't get boarded over there.

Another thing I find odd is that if you fish the Hudson above the Tappan Zee Bridge you need a freshwater license and if you fish for stripers in that same area you need a saltwater license. The same goes for the Delaware river also. You need a freshwater licenses to fish for smallmouth but if you are fishing for Shad or Stripers up there you need a saltwater license.

Since there is no longer an exemption to the requirement for a license to take fish from the Hudson River south of the Troy Barrier Dam at Troy, anglers will need to have a fishing license when fishing the Hudson River. Depending on the specific location of the Hudson River fishing activities, and the specific species fished for, an angler may need to have a recreational marine fishing license, a freshwater fishing license or both licenses:

  • If you are fishing downstream from the Tappan Zee Bridge, you are considered fishing in the marine and coastal district and will need to have a recreational marine fishing license.
  • If you are fishing upstream from the Tappan Zee Bridge and are fishing for non-migratory fish (such as largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, catfish, carp, walleye, and perch), you will need to have a freshwater fishing license.
  • If you are fishing upstream from the Tappan Zee Bridge and are fishing for "migratory fish from the sea" (such as striped bass, American shad, hickory shad, blueback herring, or alewife), you need to acquire a recreational marine fishing license in addition to a freshwater fishing privilege.

Not sure where the the line is on the Hudson but I think the Delaware is considered saltwater below Trenton NJ.
 

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I just read this,

Are there any reciprocal license agreements with other states where marine waters form boundaries with other states?
Yes, in certain waters, if a state grants New York recreational marine fishing license holders fishing privileges in that state's portion of the boundary water(s), then New York grants appropriately licensed anglers from that state the privilege to fish in the New York portion of the boundary water(s) without securing a New York recreational marine fishing license:
  • Connecticut: those parts of Long Island Sound lying between New York and Connecticut
  • New Jersey: those parts of New York Harbor, Hudson River, Kill Van Kull, Arthur Kill, Raritan Bay, and Atlantic Ocean lying between New Jersey and New York, and
  • Rhode Island: those parts of Long Island Sound, Block Island Sound and the Atlantic Ocean lying between Rhode Island and New York.

So NJ does not require a SW license but requires the Fed Registration and NJ allows NY license holders to NJ waters. This in turn would have NY allowing NJ fishermen not to have the NY license?

http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/54950.html
 

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Here in CA it'll again be ~50 bucks for a salt and fresh license with an enhancement or two. Between that and the nonexistent enforcement, more people than ever will blow off buying a license or playing by the rules, making a bad problem worse.

Public piers are the only no-license-needed zones and boy does that need to change. No DFG = no laws = no problem as far as those places are concerned.

I'd love to see the full documentary (it's $22 bucks for the DVD) But the trailer is worth a look and illustrates how bad it is here.

http://jamesswan.com/snowgoose/cp.html
 

levittownnick

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sorry I can't answer that, but I can tell you in Ca. it 750.00 for not having one, and if you are caught with fish, you are fined for each one, furthermore, if it is an undersized fish, you are fined for that, and if it is protected, it is in the thousands of dollars.and falls under the fed. law. we hate to have to pay 46.00 this year to fish in fresh and saltwater,combined cost, including the 3.00 enhancement stamp. everything costs, but it costs more if you are not legal, the guys on here that do not want to pay to have thier lic. I understand the beef. but if they get caught they will wish they had. maybe NY dosn't have any funds to put someone out there to bust people that are fishing illegaly, then I guess they will get away with it, but it's not fair to those that do. everyone draws thier own line, and writes thier own checks. just my opinion

What's not fair is that the fee/tax will go into NYS general fund with a portion used to enforce this regulation to agin enhance the general fund.
What's unfair is to tax us for God Given Resources.
What's unfair is that this money will not be used to enhance fishing.
 
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