Obama: I'd Invade Ally

[woodrat]

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So proposin' attackin' our allies n' negotiatin' with our enemies n' is a great sport with ya durin' a time of war I guess, eh? To each their own I say! JR

just couldn't pass this one up, since while saddam was gassing his own people and the Iranian army, the US govmint stood by and held his hat for him, never saying a word.

And then, we attacked iraq, who hadn't attacked us, and who had previously been our ally in the middle east....

your view of allies and enemies seems to be based on purely short term, next week kind of understandings of the concept. Allies and enemies are constantly shifting around, and we have made allies out of some the world's worst scumbags at one time or another.

 

[mikeandronda]

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We attacked Iraq the first time because they attacked one of our Allies.........After that they sure did attack us or rather plan and attempt to attack us ( Presidential assaination is an Attack woodrat) and not only that but thumbed their noses at us and the U.N.s imposed sanctions........... Allthough If it takes attacking Pakistan to take Al Kida out Im all for it. I think the issue is your party will say anything.....and I mean anything they think will get them votes.........I doubt he ( Obama) would do more than bomb a asprin factory or something anyways.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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just couldn't pass this one up, since while saddam was gassing his own people and the Iranian army, the US govmint stood by and held his hat for him, never saying a word.

And then, we attacked iraq, who hadn't attacked us, and who had previously been our ally in the middle east....

your view of allies and enemies seems to be based on purely short term, next week kind of understandings of the concept. Allies and enemies are constantly shifting around, and we have made allies out of some the world's worst scumbags at one time or another.

Very Good, Rat!
Ya left out the part where we supplied the gas though.....
It is a shame, but a fact, that we will support & ally ourselves with the vilest of scum to advance our agenda when said scum are deemed convenient.....
A whole lot o' ugly went down during 'the Great Communicator's' tenure & Dummy's dad's as well......:redface:

 

[woodrat]

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I think the issue is your party will say anything.....and I mean anything they think will get them votes........

I don't have a party. not once during my time on iboats have I ever claimed to support the democratic party. This is just your and others' misconception that one has to be identified with one of two parties.

 

[PW2]

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I must admit that the Dems are doing everything possible to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, in every shape, fashion & form......​

I agree with that 100%, Haut

And having a debate hosted by the AFL-CIO is a recipe for disaster. About the only thing we truly learned is that any special interest group, of any stripe, is, by itself, bad for this country.

 

[PW2]

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And re Obama invading Pakistan, I would kind of hope at some point we'd learn from Iraq that invading any country, whatever the intent. is kind of like picking a cat up by the tail. They are likely to let you know they don't appreciate it.

This "war on terror" is best prosecuted by special ops forces, CIA types, and high tech armed drones and the like. This is not an operation that the US military is prepared or capable of handling.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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You "dem wit dems" as OMR so affectionately refers to you as, seem to conveniently forget the true past. Can you say "Iran Contra?" Iran kidnapped Americans in 1979. That made them our arch enemy, as they still are today. We gave Saddam the gas because he was going up against the country that kidnapped our people less than a year prior. It's called supplying the side that's fighting your enemy. We knew he wasn't great, but he was the lesser of the two evils.

To blame us for Saddams misuse of the weapons we gave him during the Iran Iraq war is absolutely insane and very Unamerican. Think about it, if you lend your buddy your car and he goes out and mows down a bunch of people standing at a city bus stop, is that your fault? Ultimately, the individual is responsible for their actions. Quit trying to make Saddam out to be the victim in the gassing of his own people.

You need to stop inspecting yourself for hemorrhoids and read some history books.

Oh yea, PW2, we didn't appreciate having two of our buildings knocked over on a beautiful Tuesday morning. I guess you forgot we didn't make the first move in this war on terror. You could say we're letting the terrorists know that, to use your term, "we didn't appreciate that."

 

[woodrat]

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To blame us for Saddams misuse of the weapons we gave him during the Iran Iraq war is absolutely insane and very Unamerican. Think about it, if you lend your buddy your car and he goes out and mows down a bunch of people standing at a city bus stop, is that your fault? Ultimately, the individual is responsible for their actions. Quit trying to make Saddam out to be the victim in the gassing of his own people.

yeah, but if you lend your buddy your car so that he can mow down someone you have a beef with, and then you tell him when and where that person will be standing on the street corner, and he goes out and mows them down and then you pretend you had nothing to do with it, the responsibility is still also yours. Officially, that makes you an accomplice to murder, no?

Nobody is making out saddam to be a victim, some of us are just a little more honest about how corrupt and hypocritical our own leaders and government are. And some people here just don't want to hear anything about the US except how great and perfect and good and just we are. Sorry, but we're not. If saddam gassing the Iranians and his own people was a horrible crime against humanity (and it most certainly was) then the US is also complicit in that crime.

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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Saddam did'nt gas his own people, he gassed the Kurds, the people of Iraq see themselves first as Sunni, Shia and Kurds.
Being Iraqi is secondary to them, hence no progress on the political front when it comes to reconciliation.

Let us not forget that in Saddam's attempt to invade Iran, more than a hundred thousand Iranians died from his use of WMD's, which were supplied mainly by European countries, with the tacit approval of the USA.

The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend, today we are paying the price of such folly.

This lesson seems to have already been forgotton by our Govt's willingness to supply advance weaponary to Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

These three countries are not our friends nor are they our allies in our present conflict, they are the root cause of our delema.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote Vlad D Impeller


The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend, today we are paying the price of such folly.

This lesson seems to have already been forgotton by our Govt's willingness to supply advance weaponary to Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

These three countries are not our friends nor are they our allies in our present conflict, they are the root cause of our delema.

Your right on all accounts, we provided funding for the mujahideen, thru the CIA,to the tune of billions in tax payer dollars and this is what we got for it.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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You "dem wit dems" as OMR so affectionately refers to you as, seem to conveniently forget the true past. Can you say "Iran Contra?" Iran kidnapped Americans in 1979. That made them our arch enemy, as they still are today. We gave Saddam the gas because he was going up against the country that kidnapped our people less than a year prior. It's called supplying the side that's fighting your enemy. We knew he wasn't great, but he was the lesser of the two evils.

To blame us for Saddams misuse of the weapons we gave him during the Iran Iraq war is absolutely insane and very Unamerican. Think about it, if you lend your buddy your car and he goes out and mows down a bunch of people standing at a city bus stop, is that your fault? Ultimately, the individual is responsible for their actions. Quit trying to make Saddam out to be the victim in the gassing of his own people.

You need to stop inspecting yourself for hemorrhoids and read some history books.

Oh yea, PW2, we didn't appreciate having two of our buildings knocked over on a beautiful Tuesday morning. I guess you forgot we didn't make the first move in this war on terror. You could say we're letting the terrorists know that, to use your term, "we didn't appreciate that."

Speaking of dim-wits, thanks for bringing that up!
What a dirty, sordid affair that illustrates my point perfectly.....
Ronald Ray-Gun sold arms to our avowed enemies & lied about it on national TV....(That's the MSM, Rat )....
A BJ pales in comparison doesn't it?
& of course Dummy's dad was in the thick of it as well.....
They all should have gone to jail for treason, IMHO.....
How's that for a history lesson?......​

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Quote Vlad D Impeller


The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend, today we are paying the price of such folly.

This lesson seems to have already been forgotton by our Govt's willingness to supply advance weaponary to Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

These three countries are not our friends nor are they our allies in our present conflict, they are the root cause of our delema.

Your right on all accounts, we provided funding for the mujahideen, thru the CIA,to the tune of billions in tax payer dollars and this is what we got for it.

Such a deal!.....

 

[PW2]

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You "dem wit dems" as OMR so affectionately refers to you as, seem to conveniently forget the true past. Can you say "Iran Contra?" Iran kidnapped Americans in 1979. That made them our arch enemy, as they still are today. We gave Saddam the gas because he was going up against the country that kidnapped our people less than a year prior. It's called supplying the side that's fighting your enemy. We knew he wasn't great, but he was the lesser of the two evils.

To blame us for Saddams misuse of the weapons we gave him during the Iran Iraq war is absolutely insane and very Unamerican. Think about it, if you lend your buddy your car and he goes out and mows down a bunch of people standing at a city bus stop, is that your fault? Ultimately, the individual is responsible for their actions. Quit trying to make Saddam out to be the victim in the gassing of his own people.

You need to stop inspecting yourself for hemorrhoids and read some history books.

Oh yea, PW2, we didn't appreciate having two of our buildings knocked over on a beautiful Tuesday morning. I guess you forgot we didn't make the first move in this war on terror. You could say we're letting the terrorists know that, to use your term, "we didn't appreciate that."

That's what confuses me about all of this. You folks need to get your story straight.

Yes, we were attacked on 9/11/2001. We needed to retaliate. No question. I have never heard anyone on the Dem side say any different. Unfortunately, Saddam had nothing to do with that attack, so why again did we attack him?

And if you go to your nearest insane asylum, and start handing out loaded AK 47's, if it results in carnage, you simply cannot be shocked.

Saddam was a bad guy, always been a bad guy. The fact that we wanted to deal with Iran on the cheap by arming Saddam was a choice we made. That the choice backfired was predictable, just as our arming of Sunni militias and Shiite militias will no doubt backfire on us as well.

OBL and company still walks around free. we need to take care of him. Invading another country to do it is simply not as easy as it sounds. I say again, We need special ops, CIA types, and armed drones and other high tech stuff to get him. Leave the bringing Democracy to the region to someone else...It is simply too big a job for us.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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just couldn't pass this one up, since while saddam was gassing his own people and the Iranian army, the US govmint stood by and held his hat for him, never saying a word.

Yah: Rat it's all our fault. We are the reason for every ill in this world just remember that when yer lookin' in the mirror.

And then, we attacked iraq, who hadn't attacked us, and who had previously been our ally in the middle east....

Convenient memory: Iraq did not attack one of our critical allies, (critical if ya like to go power boating or drive yer car). N' Iraq did not bribe the worlds Libs with the oil fer food or shoot at our jets contrary to the terms of surrender. Yer right USA = bad VERY BAD, (makes Hitler n' Stalin n' Mao look like pikers). Real dark view: Rat. Hope ya feel better some day.

your view of allies and enemies seems to be based on purely short term, next week kind of understandings of the concept.

You tryin' ta tell me I don't know history or somethin'? Hmmmmmm, I say!

Allies and enemies are constantly shifting around, and we have made allies out of some the world's worst scumbags at one time or another.

Ya do what ya have to ta win: Rat, JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

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yeah, but if you lend your buddy your car so that he can mow down someone you have a beef with, and then you tell him when and where that person will be standing on the street corner, and he goes out and mows them down and then you pretend you had nothing to do with it, the responsibility is still also yours. Officially, that makes you an accomplice to murder, no?

Nobody is making out saddam to be a victim, some of us are just a little more honest about how corrupt and hypocritical our own leaders and government are. And some people here just don't want to hear anything about the US except how great and perfect and good and just we are. Sorry, but we're not. If saddam gassing the Iranians and his own people was a horrible crime against humanity (and it most certainly was) then the US is also complicit in that crime.

Nah yer right: Rat, we should all, (all 300,000,000 of us), be put under the Muslim swords or in Communist gulags so the real good times could start for all the poor people of the world we have hurt: Right? Real cheery view: I say. Why do you live in such a vile place? I ask for pure curiosity? Ya must like to live in the armpit of planet earth I guess. OH; WOOOOOH IS ME: I NEED TA JUS' SIT DOWN N' CRY. sniff sniff JR