Observation about Iraq and a couple questions

[jtexas]

It seems to me like the sunnis and the shias are going at it tooth and nail, and you almost get the feeling that U.S. casualties are almost like collateral damage, almost as though the insurgents are trying not to do enough damage to really pi55 us off enough to come in and finish 'em off.

Anybody else get that feeling? It's not like I think they are so well organized as to be pursuing that as a strategy...just more like their civil war has priority over expelling the "invading force". You'd think having an "occupying army" on your soil would be a "uniter" not a "divider."

But what do I know, I'm just a civilian whose two main sources for news are NPR and iboats.

What I been wondering is, I keep hearing about the support that the enemy is getting from Iran, and it's more than just incidental (I believe what W says about this). How long has that been going on and what have we been doing to stop it? Maybe they've figured out that they can get away with anything long as they don't bomb Pearl Harbor? Or NYC?

And what's up with Pakistan and Afghanistan?

 

[crunch]

Re: Observation about Iraq and a couple questions

LOL.... where does one start? At the beginning I guess.

It seems to me like the sunnis and the shias are going at it tooth and nail, and you almost get the feeling that U.S. casualties are almost like collateral damage, almost as though the insurgents are trying not to do enough damage to really pi55 us off enough to come in and finish 'em off.

Most US casualties are inflicted by the "terrorists" that aren't in Iraq according to the Liberals. The average citizen is too busy killing his neighbor because his neighbor killed one of his friends to take time out to make a bomb and try to kill US troops.

What I been wondering is, I keep hearing about the support that the enemy is getting from Iran, and it's more than just incidental (I believe what W says about this). How long has that been going on and what have we been doing to stop it? Maybe they've figured out that they can get away with anything long as they don't bomb Pearl Harbor? Or NYC?

Iran has been in this almost from the beginning. Their whole plan is to make the country so chaotic and dangerous that we will lose faith and pull out, thereby opening the door for them to move in and make it a safe haven for future attacks against US soil. Their long range goal is to spread Radical Islam through out the region with them at the top, then world wide Jihad against the west and Israel.

And what's up with Pakistan and Afghanistan?

Still there.

 

[QC]

Re: Observation about Iraq and a couple questions

I was starting to doubt my support for the last week or so and I woke up this morning and slapped myself silly (kinda like jtex with a hand blender, only different).

1) We are there, we know how we got there, and there was widespread support
2) No rewind button
3) Gotta do what we gotta do
4) I hope we kill as many "really bad people doing really bad stuff" as we can (ya know that ole Texas "deserved killin'" thing)
5) Less "really bad people doing really bad stuff" is good

When there are two little guys beating each other up on the playground, I picture this kinda tough, but usually mellow big guy holding the two apart while they take wild swings at each other. Some of their wild punches hit him and it really hurts. They even swing at him on purpose once in a while and that really hurts too. He lets them go and they fall on their faces. Then they get up and start swinging at each other again, and he holds them apart again. He keeps doing that until they get really tired and give up. And they end up playing on the playground again while he watches, and he feels pretty good about it . . .

 

[JB]

Re: Observation about Iraq and a couple questions

Some Sunni, a majority, are just trying to stay alive. Same with most Shia. A minority of each are trying hard to kill all of the other. This gang war was started by Al Qaeda blowing up a shia mosque to enrage the shia. It worked very well.

There are true insurgents. . .Baathists, Al Qaeda, recruits from Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim neighborhoods trying to kill coalition soldiers and coalition soldiers trying to kill insurgents. The insurgents are organized, armed, supplied, directed and supported by Iran and Syria. The coalition soldiers win all the battles, but the insurgents win all the press coverage.

Those two wars are independent of each other except to the extent that Sunni and Shia extremeists want to take over the country, and, of course, Iran and Syria also want to take over the country.

Pakistan is serving as a refuge and base for Taliban and Al Qaeda to enter Afghanistan, get their butts whipped and retreat back to Pakistan. Many believe that Usama is hiding there.

The Pakistan Government is making a show of trying to catch them, but not doing very well at it. There is strong resistance to NATO forces going in after them.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Observation about Iraq and a couple questions

And everything that is happening now was predicted by our military experts long before we engaged Iraq. Yet Gee Willikers Bush charged ahead in his crusade to save the Iraqis from themselves anyhow. Gosh, what a mighty favor he did for them, eh? All in the name of Rove's planting the seed of Greatness into Dubya's tiny little brain that King George swallowed it and ran full steam ahead. We're So Lucky! :|

Bush isn't the problem nearly as much as his brain named Carl Rove with Dicky Cheney holding the leash. Beast Master Rumsfeld may be gone, but he's sure not forgotten.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Observation about Iraq and a couple questions

And everything that is happening now was predicted by our military experts long before we engaged Iraq. Yet Gee Willikers Bush charged ahead in his crusade to save the Iraqis from themselves anyhow. Gosh, what a mighty favor he did for them, eh? All in the name of Rove's planting the seed of Greatness into Dubya's tiny little brain that King George swallowed it and ran full steam ahead. We're So Lucky! :|

Bush isn't the problem nearly as much as his brain named Carl Rove with Dicky Cheney holding the leash. Beast Master Rumsfeld may be gone, but he's sure not forgotten.

Lots o' poison there Willy. What are you going to do if Hill, Bamma, the Breck Girl, (or if we have to have a Dem): Bill Richardson is President? Would ya root for our side if your guy or gal were there? JR

 

[WillyBWright]

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What happens from here is what happens from here. Bush's successor will have to deal with his mess one way or another. I wish I saw a way out of the quicksand. All I see is more quicksand all around. Just gotta remember who put us there and try to find a path out if there is one. At least by remembering who got us there, we can probably exclude any direction he would've gone.

 

[crunch]

Re: Observation about Iraq and a couple questions

Pull your head out and start researching what is happening in your world... the news is all around you, you just have to get over your hate and look at the world from a non-biased perspective...(and you will hear a distinct "POP"... wipe as needed)

Iraqi forces aided by the US have killed or captured over 400 insurgents in the last few days... most from the Sadr militia.

There are many neighborhoods in the worst hit areas that for the first time in years have patrols of Iraqi and US forces keeping them safe.

All of that before the speech about increased troops from the US... Why you ask?

Because "W" told him too. Maliki knows who is keeping him in power and will continue to press Sadr... it pressed Sadr right back to the negation table for the first time in months.

Go ahead and hate Bush, go ahead and spew it all over... Facts remain, Bush is leading while the Libs can only take backstabbing shots from behind.

Can we win?... Not if your like has anything to say about it. :|

 

[QC]

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At least by remembering who got us there

Ya know WIlly this gets really old. I actually do remember who got us here. I think all of them that are running for Pres in 2008 helped, I actually respected them then . . . := Is it possible for you to actually recall facts when you spew this carp?

 

[crunch]

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Sorry QC, when political ideology meets the religious fanatic, all bets are off.

Willy is the poster child for hate vs religion... he just can't see the relationship, so he spews the hate, without ever seeing how it puts payed to his religious beliefs :'(

 

[PW2]

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My take on this, FWIW:

Iraqis with any affluence and ability to get out, are getting out, or already left.

Sunnis are trying to stay alive.

Shias in power think they are winning this civil war, and will keep doing what they are doing.

Iran wants the Shias to win, and will do what they can to help them win.

Alqaida types generally favor the Sunnis, but mostly want to promote chaos.

Kurds want to be generally left out of the fight.

Americans are somehow in the middle of this, with none of the potential outcomes are seen as desirable.

 

[Nos4r2]

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No-one is winning this one while our people are dying.

Support the troops by all means-I do, I have friends out there.They need it.

It doesn't mean we shouldn't all GTFO and leave them to sort their own carp out.