O'Day Mariner Sailboat Restoration

[Scott Danforth]

Ted, another alternative, hit up your local Parker store for stainless braided Teflon hose

 

[GA_Boater]

Maybe the garden hose wasn't so bad. LOL

 

[tpenfield]

Maybe the garden hose wasn't so bad. LOL

I know . . .

 

[fhhuber]

The copper isn't all that bad... It will just need periodic replacement. (like almost any metal in seawater)

I listed a highly paranoid inspection schedule at once a month after 6 months. It might last several years.

When it comes to boat maintenance I might be paranoid... but am I paranoid enough about that wet stuff that wants to kill me?

 

[tpenfield]

UPDATE:

It has been a while since I have worked on the sailboat . . . I was supposed to play in a golf tournament today (Wednesday) but the foursome got cancelled, so I have a 'free' day and thought that I would get back to the restoration work on the sailboat.

After the winter of trying to work underneath the boat, I really want to try to 'flip' the boat over in order to prep and paint the hull. I think I can do a much better job with the prep work, etc. then I can put the boat back on the trailer and finish the topsides and the interior work.

So . . . BIG QUESTION IS . . . how best to flip the boat over in my garage ??? :noidea: . Currently it is supported by some straps and a chain hoist along with 4 jackstands underneath.

The boat is not all that heavy . . . 1,440 lbs (+/-) sailing weight. The rigging is all off of the boat so, -100 lbs . . . and the keel is out of the boat -170 lbs so I figure that the 'bare' boat/hull is about 1,170 lbs :noidea:

I have checked out a few web sources videos and there seem to be a variety of 'flipping' techniques. I'd like to do something that will have minimal abrasions to the hull, as I have to flip it back once the bottom of the hull is prepped, barrier coated and anti-fouling painted. I'm not sure when I will want to put the keel back in the boat, but could do it when it is upside down.

Not sure I will get it done today, but I will start mapping it out.

Here are a couple of pictures of the boat in the garage, supported by the chain hoist and boat stands underneath . . .

gotta get all the 'stuff' out from underneath the boat that has accumulated over the winter






Thoughts, ideas, resources? Thanks in advance :thumb:

 

[alldodge]

I think you need 2 cases of beer and at least 4 strong friends.

It needs a pivot point at the bow and stern. Pick up at the ends and rotate, but without pivots you need mussel. If you could take it outside, get it off the trailer on the grass and roll it over, then get it back on.

I still need to flip my Chrysler to do the same thing, and I have bow and stern points, but I still going to need some mussel

 

[Scott Danforth]

Go to harbor freight, pick up 2 of their large engine stands. Get some 2x3 steel tubing and make a rotisserie. Pick at the bow eye and the stearn eyes For 300 you can flip it yourself

Then drink the beer youself, and sell it to AD so he can flip his Chrysler

 

[tpenfield]

Great plans all-around guys

I did go to Harbor freight . . . and also went to Home Depot. I got some things that I think (hope) will do the trick.

I figure that I can flip it like a rotisserie, but will do it in a 'belt driven' manner. I got a couple of vehicle recovery straps and hang a "McGyver'ed" roller set from the ceiling. Just got to run some 5/8" bolts through the joists and I should be able to set it all up.

Pictures to follow (if it works)

 

[tpenfield]

I cleaned the garage up a bit so that I have clear space under the boat.



Also put the keel back in the dolly so I can move it around . . . still needs antifouling paint.


I spent much of the morning going to HD and HF to get some 'stuff' . . . My plan is to build a sling that can rotate around a couple of rollers suspended above the boat. So here is the roller contraption. 1" steel pipe and a couple of PVC pipes for bushing and roller.


Then it was a matter of getting everything installed and bolted in place . . . here are a couple of pictures . . .









It took a couple of attempts to get the straps and rigging adjusted so that the boat would become suspended and fairly level by the straps once I lowered the boat stands. The boat is now held up by the straps. My next step is to figure out how I can 'roll' this boat over and then get the stands underneath it, supporting the weight by the cockpit and deck.

Not sure I'll be able to roll the boat over tonight, or if it will have to wait until another time.

 

[alldodge]

Not bad, hope it works might use your design

Issue I see, is IF the boat is rotated clockwise facing the bow, then the stern strap will travel forward on the pipe, and so will the bow strap. There is room for the stern strap but not the bow strap. Maybe switch the bow strap to walk to the stern

 

[tpenfield]

Not bad, hope it works might use your design

Issue I see, is IF the boat is rotated clockwise facing the bow, then the stern strap will travel forward on the pipe, and so will the bow strap. There is room for the stern strap but not the bow strap. Maybe switch the bow strap to walk to the stern

AD - good observation . . . not sure which way you meant for the rotation, but . . . the stern strap eventually walked off of the roller. I tried to save it, but to no avail. The good news is that the stern dropped down when the strap went off of the roller and is partially resting on the keel dolly. The stern strap is now somewhat slack, so I should be able to fix it.

I got the boat rotated about 75 degrees and then the strap mishap occurred. I was going to get some 4"/3" PVC reducers and put them on the ends of the rollers as a way to keep the straps from going off the ends, . . . but HD was out of them

Anyway, the technique seemed to work fairly well (so far) I used the chain hoist to lift the starboard side of the boat. As the boat tilted, the rollers began rolling, moving the strap from one side to the other. After the boat got to about 45 degrees tilt, I put a strap underneath the boat and attached to the port side winch and had the chain hoist still lifting on the starboard side, but now it was pulling the port side down and hopefully around . . . didn't quite get there, but I will give it another go tomorrow.

Here are a few pictures . . .

Initial lifting by the hoist as the starboard rubrail



Here is the boat now at a steeper angle


Another pic from a different view . . .


I think the boat is going to bottom out on the garage floor before it rolls over, so I may have to muscle it a little bit.

Here is a view of the stern once the strap had slipped off of the roller. You can sort of see the strap on the steel pipe rather than the roller. I should be able to fix it and give it another go.

 

[alldodge]

You rotated counter clockwise which the opposite happened from what I was discussing.

Need the straps to walk toward each other toward the center so they don't walk off

 

[tpenfield]

You rotated counter clockwise which the opposite happened from what I was discussing.

Need the straps to walk toward each other toward the center so they don't walk off

Yup, I see that now . . . :facepalm: I didn't really think about it when I was rigging the whole thing up. I think if I set up the stern strap to go 'inward', then it should work. (We'll see, I guess :noidea.

For the 'return trip' . . . in a few months. I think I will find/get the additional pieces that I talked about to make the straps stay within the boundaries of the rollers.

 

[tpenfield]

I think that I will need a couple of dollies underneath the hull as it rotates towards and past 90 degrees (vertical) as the hull will be touching the ground. This should give me an opportunity to fix the positioning of the straps on the rollers. I figure that if they 'walk' too far towards the center, the boat will become unbalanced and tip either fore or aft depending on where the center of gravity is. . .

The beam of this boat is about 7' and the clear height of my garage is about 8'8" up to the girder . . . So, the boat should clear upon 'roll-over', considering the rigging takes up some space, but it will be close.

 

[tpenfield]

Quick update:

I was able to get the stern strap back on the roller and re-configured. I brought the boat up to nearly vertical and it is definitely bottomed out on the grage floor. As I go past vertical, I'm sure the boat will raise up again, but my concern is it having a somewhat wild reaction as it does that. So, I'll give it some thought and see if I can come up with any ideas.

I guess for next time, the key will be to have the boat fairly high up to begin with . . .

Here are a few pics:

Stern roller fixed


The boat is nearly vertical


Another view


The boat is slightly resting on the floor at the mid-ship point and as I lift the starboard side it seems to want to roll more to the port side, which is making it fairly far off center. Not sure what sort of havoc it will raise once it gets past vertical and wants to keep going.

 

[Scott Danforth]

Fingers crossed it doesn't go south

 

[tpenfield]

Idea Du Jour . . .

OK, morning cup of coffee underway and I have an idea on how to control any wild reaction that may occur as the boat goes past vertical. I currently have a strap that attaches to the port side winch and leads underneath the boat up to the starboard side to do the lifting as shown by the red arrows in the picture below.



If I add another strap going the other way and also attached to the chain hoist (as per the dashed red line), then the hoist will control the movement going past vertical. Probably will be able to provide some lifting to the boat as well. Then as the boat goes past vertical, I will be lowering the chain hoist instead of raising it, as I did to bring the boat up to vertical.

 

[alldodge]

Sounds like it should help control the roll, I still think it's going to roll. The two straps will keep it from continuing to roll, but think it would just roll to the other side the same amount on the opposite side

 

[tpenfield]

I've been working from home today, as I needed to sign for my package delivery (as per my other thread about the Mercruisers), so every couple of hours I go out to the garage and spend a few minutes trying to 'flip' the boat.

I have got the thing slightly past vertical, but it is still putting up a fight. There is about 300 lbs of lead along the base of the keel trunk and that is putting the center of gravity a bit more toward the keel. So, I will probably have to get the boat to roll about 10 degrees more before it 'wants' to keep going. Here are a few more pics (for those who like pics




The boat stands are coming in handy to get the boat to roll past vertical. I stuck them into the ends of the keel trunk, which is probably about the strongest part of the boat. Sailboats are not nearly as strong as powerboats (don't need to be), so It takes a bit of care as to where to apply pressure and lifting.






I might give it one more try before I head to 'The Cape' for the weekend (only to work on the stinkpot )

 

[tpenfield]

It continues to lean, but not roll :facepalm:

I brought some blocks home to prop up the boat stands a bit higher and see if I can get the boat to finally roll over. It is still putting up a fight, so I may have to apply some force elsewhere. At this point, the boat stands have done all that I think they can do.

The rollers & straps seem to be tough to move at this point, but the boat is starting to lift back up off the ground as the boat goes beyond vertical.

Here is the latest picture.



I may try lifting at the port rubrail with the hydraulic jacks that I have. Since it is past vertical, that might make it roll far enough that it wants to keep going. :noidea: