oil in bilge #2

sti1471

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OK I am looking for the 2 piece rear main oil seal for the crankshaft. When I was at the shop they said there was a 2 piece oil seal, and then a 2 piece oil seal with a double lip. I assume I can use either single or double lip? They are pretty much the same cost. SO are there any advantages to going with the double lip over the single lip oil seal?
 

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I'd check that rear main bearing also. But ya have to if you are replacing the seal......
 

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OK I am looking for the 2 piece rear main oil seal for the crankshaft. When I was at the shop they said there was a 2 piece oil seal, and then a 2 piece oil seal with a double lip. I assume I can use either single or double lip? They are pretty much the same cost. SO are there any advantages to going with the double lip over the single lip oil seal?

Ayuh,.... Have ya got it apart yet,..?? What's in it now,..?? Any wear anywhere else,..??

I don't buy parts, til it's apart, cleaned up, 'n assessed for damages, 'n wear,.....
 

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Yes the engine has been removed from the boat. I removed the flywheel housing to get a better look. The coupler looks good, there is no rubber dust, or any obvious damage to the coupler, it looks great. The splines are all even and there is no metal dust or shavings in the driveshaft or coupler.

I removed the flywheel and turned it around and to my surprise, there was no crack in the flywheel. I have NO idea what that was that look exactly like a crack in the picture, but the flywheel looks good, no missing, chipped teeth. There is no crack in the block housing back there either.

The rear water seal on the other hand was pushed out on the top half of the seal and leaking water a little. I got some pliers and grabbed the top lip and pulled and the water seal came right out. So that will need to be replaced for sure.

I removed the oil pan bolts (which several of them appeared to not be very tight, and then removed the oil pan. The oil looked dark, but not contaminated with water. On the bottom of the pan there was some black sediment which I think would be expected since this could be the first time it has ever been pulled.

Looking up into the engine the crankshaft, bolts, and everything else looked fine. There was no signs of rubbing, scratching or anything. The only thing I did not get to remove before it got dark was the crankshaft oil seal. I plan on replacing those anyways since I am this far in just for a piece of mind.

From looking at it, the only thing I can think of is that oil was coming out of the oilpan (old gasket) or the main oil seal and the water plug was leaking water and that is where I was getting the coffee w/creamer color. I will take come pictures after work when I get the oil seals out.
 

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The water seal you are referring too is....a casting plug...better know as freeze plugs!
 

sti1471

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Yeah that is the part I need. off the top of your head does anyone know the size that it needs.

Also I was talking with a few merc mechanics in the valley and they told me a few 60's & 70's vehicles that use the same 2 piece crankshaft oil seal as the merc 3.0L. There are a few places local that have those seals in stock. The sierra seals are 59.00 and these cross referenced seals are $10.99. Are there differences in sierra seals and felpro seals? What material are the sierra seals made out of? I know felpro and mr. gasket have Rubber, and Teflon seals. However no matter where I look, sierra makes no mention on the seal material. However sierra does say that it fits the 3.0L and the 2.5L. These cross referenced vehicles both have the 2.5L 151cid engines in them. Unless there is a difference in the material used, I don't see a reason the cost difference would be so high!
 
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Yeah that is the part I need. off the top of your head does anyone know the size that it needs.

Also I was talking with a few merc mechanics in the valley and they told me a few 60's & 70's vehicles that use the same 2 piece crankshaft oil seal as the merc 3.0L. There are a few places local that have those seals in stock. The sierra seals are 59.00 and these cross referenced seals are $10.99. Are there differences in sierra seals and felpro seals? What material are the sierra seals made out of? I know felpro and mr. gasket have Rubber, and Teflon seals. However no matter where I look, sierra makes no mention on the seal material. However sierra does say that it fits the 3.0L and the 2.5L. These cross referenced vehicles both have the 2.5L 151cid engines in them. Unless there is a difference in the material used, I don't see a reason the cost difference would be so high!

Ayuh,.... That motor, the 151cid, has Never been used in a boat,... It's a completely Different motor,....
Pontiac by breed, Aka; the Iron Duke,....

The 2.5l/ 3.0l used in boats is a Chevy, 153cid, 'n 181cid,....

Fel-pro is quality stuff, 'n I'm sure they'll list a seal for yer motor, by application, not guessin' for an ole car,...

I think that Core Plug, is inch, 'n 5/8s,.... not positive though,.... get brass of course,...
 

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While I have the engine out of the boat, are there anythings that I could / should check and or replace just for good measure besides the crankshaft seals, freeze plug and oilpan gasket? I want to make sure I did not miss a great opportunity to replace / check something while it was out of the boat. this also includes anything inside the boat that is easier to get at while the engine is out.
 

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One item that ends up buried under the motor and hard to get to, is the bilge pump. If yours is a tight squeeze under the motor, check the pump and float switch if you have one. Maybe think about adding a second pump if you only have one.

Also a good chance to clean the bilge, maybe paint if it needs it. Might as well rap and tap on the transom while you have good access.
 

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I will clean the bilge bay for sure as it was covered in oil. My bilge pump is mounted about 5 inches to the port side of the center of the bilge. I think I will relocate it to the center (deepest spot) in the bilge bay while the engine is out.

What do you mean rap and tap?
 
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