Oil leak in new valve cover gaskets - Mercruiser 3.0LX

kkuhia

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I have a 1995 Mercruiser 3.0LX engine and the old valve cover gasket was leaking. I took the valve cover off and put a new Mercruiser rubber valve cover gasket in there and bolted everything back down. I know the manual calls for 40 lbs/sq in of torque on those valve cover bolts, but it seemed like that much force may damage the bolts or smash the gasket too much. Therefore, I didn't go all the way to 40 lbs/sq in.

The valve covers didn't leak oil when I ran the boat on the muffs in the driveway, but of course as soon as I got the boat in the water, oil started leaking from almost all around the valve cover gasket. I pulled the boat back out immediately and it is now sitting in the driveway.

My main question is this: Given that oil has now leaked out from between the gasket and the valve covers, can I just take my torque wrench and torque those valve cover bolts down to 40 lbs/sq in like I should have in the first place? Or is that gasket now unuseable (even though it is practically brand new) and I will have to go buy and install another new gasket in it's place?

Thanks for any help and advice!

Kekoa
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ziggy

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40 Lb.in. don't seem real tight. are ya using an in/lbs torque wrench and not a ft/lb torque wrench?
when i've R&Red a valve cover gasket, i usually lightly peen the bolt holes prior to install. from the bottom. most valve covers i've seen, the bolt holes are pulled down some. peening them seems to bring the surface back to kinda flat.
as for your question. ya got nothing to loose by attempting to torque them to the proper spec. w/o replacing the gasket again. if it seals, it seals. if it don't yer gonna have to find out why.
 

Howard Sterndrive

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40 lbs/sq in of torque
pounds per square inch is a pressure, not a torque.

My guess from that is the manual calls for 40 inch pounds, and you were using a foot pound torque wrench and have them way too tight.

40 inch pounds is 3 foot pounds.
 

achris

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How tight did you do the bolts up to? If you exceeded about 10lb-ft, the cover is most likely distorted and need to be replaced. The manual calls for 40lb-INCHES of torque, not 40 lb-ft. If you got close to 40lb-ft, you over-tightened by a factor of 12. :eek:

And yes, I'd be putting a new gasket on too...
 
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kkuhia

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Thanks for the quick responses!

The torque wrench is a Foot-Pounds wrench and not Inch-Pounds which would explain the problem we were having with the bolts feeling too tight. First time using a torque wrench and I didn't even catch that the wrench was actually foot-pounds. Hopefully, we stopped early enough and didn't cause any damage to the valve cover. Given how tight the bolts seemed, I don't think we even got the torque wrench to click at the 10 ft-lbs mark which is the highest setting we tried on the wrench (we were going to work our way slowly up to the 40).

Obviously, the bolts are too tight (since oil is leaking) and we may have damaged the valve cover gasket. I’m going to back the bolts out evenly, set the wrench to the correct 3 ft-lbs mark mentioned by Howard Sterndrive (love the username by the way!), and slowly tighten them back down to that torque. Then I’ll start it up on the muffs and see if oil is still leaking. In the meantime, I’ll order a new valve cover gasket so I can replace the one in there now in case it is damaged.

Does that sound like a good plan? Anything else that I'm missing? Thanks again for all the help!

Kekoa
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You might want to put the valve cover on a flat surface, and use a ball peen hammer to carefully, lightly, flatten the holes from the back if they are dented in. Only do this on a stamped steel valve cover, if it is cast aluminum leave it alone, because pieces can break off easily!
 

kkuhia

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Here is an update for everyone. I ended up going and buying an actual in-lbs torque wrench that I could set to exactly 40 in-lbs instead of trying to use the large ft-lbs torque I was using previously. I backed the valve cover bolts out and they loosened with no problems (at least is seemed like they did). Then I took the new in-lbs torque wrench and tried to tighten the bolts back down to 40 in-lbs. Unfortunately, one of the bolts broke off as I was trying to get it to 40 in-lbs. I guess torque wrenches and I just don’t get along.

So now I’m not sure what to do as I have a broken off bolt down in the bolt hole that I don’t know how to get out. I’ve heard people talk about a way to drill into the broken bolt with a special drill bit that can back the bolt out of the hole. Does that really work? If so, is that something that is easy to do or will I just mess up the bolt hole further and cause even more damage?

Appreciate any advice/suggestions. Thanks!

Kekoa
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Bt Doctur

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I would suggest you throw the torque wrench away and use a 1/4 drive socket with just the wrist action from one hand.slowly compressing the neoprene gasket untill you feel the bolts getting tight.
The bolts are called 1/4 x 20 so you`ll need a small drill to start in the center.DO NOT USE EASY-OUTS
instead drive a allen wrench of a suitable size in the drilled hole,and remove the broken section of the bolt.
There was a tool on the market called"Grabbit"
 

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You should get all new bolts now, because the old ones are stretched, & weakened from overtightening. A hardware store should have what you need. Make sure you have the right length, & strength grade. Next follow what Bt Doctur said, and you should be fine.
 

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If the reason the bolt broke is because of over-tightening and stretching, then the stub may still be loose in the hole. Use a pick to work the stub out of the hole. I have done it many times and it works very nicely. Failing that, yes you can buy left-hand drills. As the bolt is 1/4", use a 1/8 or 3/16 drill.... http://www.irwin.com/tools/drill-bit...eel-drill-bits
 

kkuhia

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Thanks for the replies! I'm going to head down to Lowes and pick up the GRABIT Extractor set that Bt Doctur mentions. While there I'll also pick up another set of bolts (1/4" x 20) so that I'm working with new bolts to try avoid another one breaking. We'll see if I can get that bolt out. I'll provide an update on if I was successful removing the bolt or not. Thanks again for the advice!

Kekoa
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kkuhia

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Hi All!

I know it has been a little bit since my question, but work took me away from the project until just this last week. So here is an update on what happened:

I did pick up the GRABIT set from Lowes and some new 1/4" x 20 bolts (and washers to match). I bought the GRABIT set that had the three bits #1, #2, & #3 and the instructions said to use #2 for a 1/4" bolt. For those that haven't used these GRABIT bits, the idea is that one side of the bit is the cutting side which you are supposed to use to drill a hole (using the drill in REVERSE) into the CENTER of the broken bolt at least 1/16" deep. Then you take the GRABIT bit and flip it around to the other side of the bit (the "GRABIT" side) and slowly drill it in REVERSE into the hole you previously drilled in the center of the broken bolt until it catches and backs the broken bolt out.

The first challenge I had is that the GRABIT bits are too short for the cutting side of the bit to reach the broken bolt without my drill hitting the valve rocker arm. I tried a 6" magnetic drill extension, but the bit was too wobbly in the extension to be able to cut into the bolt. Then I tried some left-hand drill bits to try and cut the hole in the bolt since they were long enough to reach the bolt over the valve rocker arm. But because the bolt was uneven where the bolt broke off, I couldn't get the drill bits to stay in the center of the bolt and start cutting. They kept shooting off to the side.

So, I got out my dremmel kit and grinded the bolt down to be flat and smooth (the bolt was sticking up above the head enough to do this). Once I did that, then I was able to get a drill bit to stay in the center of the bolt and drill a nice hole in the broken bolt. I would suggest using a center punch to make sure you have a nice indentation in the very center of the bolt to start drilling in. Also, I made sure to have some rags laid out around the bolt to ensure that none of the metal shavings from the drilling went onto the valve rocker arms or down any of the oil holes in the head.

It seemed that getting that nice hole in the center of the broken bolt was the hard part. Once the hole was there, I was able to take a 1/4" T-handle tool to put the "grabbing" end of the GRABIT bit into the hole in the bolt and slowly start twisting the GRABIT bit by hand counterclockwise until it finally caught and "grabbed" the broken bolt and started turning the broken bolt counterclockwise and backing the broken bolt out of its hole. Once the GRABIT bit grabbed, the broken bolt came out pretty easily. So the broken bolt was out!

However, that wasn't the end of it. While trying to test out the new bolts I bought in all of the valve cover bolt holes, I noticed that the threads in one of the other valve cover bolt holes was completely stripped and all the broken threads had fallen to the bottom of the bolt hole. Luckily, I had a friend there helping me and he had one of those telescopic magnets (looks like an old radio antenna, but with a small magnet at the end of it). We used that and got all of the stripped thread pieces out of the hole.

Most of you probably knows what came next. I had never used a helicoil before, but we ran out and got a helicoil kit for 1/4" #20 bolt holes and a 17/64" drill bit (as it did not come with the helicoil kit). We used the 17/64" drill bit to drill the existing stripped bolt hole to the 17/64" size (once again making sure no metal shavings got into the valves/head/engine). Then used the special tap from the helicoil kit to slowly create the threads for the helicoil to go down into. Once that was done, we slowly screwed the helicoil into the newly threaded hole using the tool from the kit and then backed the tool out. The helicoil was sticking out above the top of the surface of the head as those valve cover bolt holes aren't that deep. So we took some wire cutters and cut off the helicoil so that it was flush with the surface of the head. I tested one of the new bolts in the newly helicoiled hole and it went in easily with no issues!

We tested that all the bolts went nicely into all of the valve cover bolt holes, so we put the new gasket on the valve cover let it sit for a bit so the sticky part of the valve cover gasket would stick to the cover and not fall off when we flipped the valve cover over to install it. We set aside ALL torque wrenches and just used a 1/4" socket wrench to slowly tighten down each valve cover bolt in a star type pattern until they were just snug. We then went around to each bolt and snugged them down just a tad more so they were tight but not overly tight like before as I can see with the ridge on the alumnium head where the valve cover sits would definitely tear the valve cover gasket when you tighten the bolts down too much (not to mention that bolts break and threads strip!).

After all of the above, I'm happy to report that I've run the boat on Lake Washington a couple times (after testing on the muffs first of course) with no oil leaks from the valve cover at all!

Sorry for so much detail, but I'm hoping that it may help out some other newbie like me if they encounter a similar issue while trying to replace a valve gasket on these Mercruiser 3.0L engines. Thanks again to everyone for all of the help and advice!

Kekoa
1995 Bayliner 1850 Capri Bowrider
Mercruiser 3.0LX / AlphaOne Gen II Outdrive
 
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