Oils? an FYI article link

CharlieB

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I don't really want to start another oils thread, but here is a link to an informative article which compared automotive oils to motorcycle oils.


It's a long read, but points out that you may not really be getting what you pay for when buying a manufacturers expensively labeled oil.


http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/oiltest1.htm
 

cr2k

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Re: Oils? an FYI article link

And why do we boaters care about motorcycle oil?
 

1960vw

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Re: Oils? an FYI article link

I'm sure he meant to post it on the KZrider forum :):);)
 

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My four wheel 6-8 cyl vehicles as well as all of the boats I've ever had are perfectly happy with whatever is cleaned regularly. My bikes however are a different matter and always have been. I've ridden BMW's primarily (4 different ones for a combined 280,000 miles) for the past 20 years. Air heads and oil cooled. Automotive Mobil 1 makes the cam tensioners fly and runs hotter while Mobil 1 Motorcycle Racing keeps them very happy. It damn well better at $9.50 per qt. They also all have had fits with anything less than Chevron Premium. My numerous Asian metric bikes never cared about what you put in them. So there's my scientific .02 that I'm contributing to this thread.
So now we can make this a fuel thread too!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Brewman61

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Re: Oils? an FYI article link

This article is going on 20 years old, and I'm guessing that motor oils have changed since then, so are the specific claims in the article meaningful anymore?
 

JRJ

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Re: Oils? an FYI article link

Got something more current? Agree with the Chevron gas comment :D
 

CharlieB

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Re: Oils? an FYI article link

The whole point of the article was to point out that ENGINE manufacturers expensively labeled oils are not necessarily the most cost effective product to use.

You are paying for packaging.

Engine manufacturers are NOT oil refineries, why pay such inflated prices when the same (or comparable ) product is available locally.

Do your own homework, it will save money with every oil change, on EVERY engine you own.
 

JRJ

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Re: Oils? an FYI article link

I agree, although I have a new ROTAX I'm running the spendy Can-am oil in till I figure out what I'm going to switch to.
 

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Re: Oils? an FYI article link

My input on another oil thread.
35 years ago I raced motocross on Yamaha's, tear it down after the heat race, install a new piston and rings, then tear it down again and install new piston and rings for the following week.
When I finally got 'factory sponsorship' I started using 'their oil' a 'new' synthetic blend (Spectrum)...I noticed virtually none to little wear on my pistons, I replaced them anyway...long story short...I stopped replacing pistons and just did the rings after heat and before the race.

I used this lesson!! Don't use cheap oil.

When I moved to a Harley (flat track) I used what I could afford (run what you brung)...then I got factory sponsorship...same results, their oil seamed to provide more protection...less wear, ran cooler etc etc.

The same story at the drag strip, I saw 'the BIG boys' using Valvoline (which was almost double the price) in their funny cars..tear down and oil change was on a 1/4 mile basis...I switched to 'their' brand...need I go on?

The same 'lesson' in my cars/trucks/motorcycles/weed trimmers/chainsaws and outboards...
Over the years I found what works for me...4 strokes get Valvoline, Harley oil and I've been using Sthil oil in the land based two strokes, (good performance, no ping, no fouling plugs) Pennzoil synthetic or Quicksilver (both perform the same to me) in my outboards.

I've 'paid' for my lesson that began 35 years ago!
 

xxxflhrci

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My '77 HD has gotten along just fine on Pennzoil 20w-50 for over 3 decades.
 

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Brewman61

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Re: Oils? an FYI article link

The issue with these oil debates is that it's extremely time consuming and expensive to do exhaustive, meaningful testing.
Yes, it's true that "Insert Brand Name Here" doesn't have their own refinery, but that doesn't mean that they don't have a staff of engineers (or whatever you wish to call them) that specify the oil need. While it may be true that brand X oil is essentially simlar to Brand Y and Brand Z, there may or may not be subtle differences. Anecdotal experience of one person using el cheepo, or top shelf oil doesn't really mean all that much since it's so rare that "bad" oil would cause sudden engine failure.
To be meaningful at all, you'd need to conduct tests on the various oils by running them in the same engines under the same conditions and then tearing down the engines and comparing them for wear and tear.
And still, how useful is that? If you disgard the engine before it wear out, does it really matter if it's worn a bit more than it may otherwise have been?
And over a decade of ownership, will paying 30% more or less for your oil make a noticible dent in your bank account? I doubt it.
It's a relativley small component of (for most of us, anyway) of the cost of owning that engine.
Another, equally unlikely scenario is to get all of the various people in a room and submit them to a lie detector test to get them to tell the truth about their oils. Are they essentially equal, or are they substantially or even subtly different? Is it engineering or marketing?
Business model is another angle. Wally World specializes in cheap prices, and is willing and able to take a smaller profit on a quart of oil than the local boat dealer. The oil is more expensive at the boat or mc or car dealer because that's what they either choose or need to charge to keep the lights on. Cost doesn't always equate directly to quality.
Clear as mud? Or in this case, clear as oil?
Thus the never ending debate........................
 

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Shell Rotella 15W40 since new. Replaced the crank and mains at 800+ hours and they still looked like new! Who would have thought a diesel oil would work so well in a bike that revs to 12000 rpms?... I do change the oil after every ride.
 
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