Old fuel

smokeonthewater

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Re: Old fuel

Why is it that everybody here seems to think that lawn equipment will run on the same gas that will cause thousands of dollars of damage to a boat? I thought that they are both IC engines that require the same fuel. Am I wrong on this? If it is good enough to run a lawn mower can't it run a boat?

no you are absolutely right but people are stubborn foolish and lazy..... that's why lawnmower shops are so busy every spring..... They aren't generally repairing worn out equipment but rather they are fixing what the owners screw up..... most dead mowers die from bad gas or low oil levels
 

Joker757

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no you are absolutely right but people are stubborn foolish and lazy..... that's why lawnmower shops are so busy every spring..... They aren't generally repairing worn out equipment but rather they are fixing what the owners screw up..... most dead mowers die from bad gas or low oil levels

most likely is that people are misinformed. I was told to use in the 2 stroke lawn equipment after mixing it with fresh gas. This is why I came here to get better informed. I'll just be pumping the gas out and taking it to the hazardous waste site at my local dump.
 

smokeonthewater

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that wasn't aimed at you or anyone here.... It's just a generalization.... people are always looking for a shortcut.... The problem comes when one person gets lucky and tells another such as yourself that it works but the second guy isn't so lucky.

You are making a wise decision.... You MAY possibly be throwing out a small quantity of usable gas but you definitely aren't damaging an engine and that is a good bet any day....

If you had 1000 gallons it might be worth testing it in some manner.
 

Joker757

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that wasn't aimed at you or anyone here.... It's just a generalization.... people are always looking for a shortcut.... The problem comes when one person gets lucky and tells another such as yourself that it works but the second guy isn't so lucky.

You are making a wise decision.... You MAY possibly be throwing out a small quantity of usable gas but you definitely aren't damaging an engine and that is a good bet any day....

If you had 1000 gallons it might be worth testing it in some manner.

I totally get it and agree. Thanks for all the input. You're absolutley right. I rather throw out $100 in fuel than damage my engine especially after all the work I'm putting into it.
 

hungupthespikes

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Pump it out and get rid of it. You have a great opportunity to get all the old gas with all the water and any other crap that may be in the tank gone. Fresh gas and clean tank for a summer of "not the fuel" problems.:D

I did the bonehead thing of adding hytest to 2 year old gas and got away with it, but the boat ran like crap all day. I ran it as low as possible and filled up trailering home. Then muffs in the driveway to pump the good gas through the system. It's been several years and whatever was there then could still be there and it is still haunting.

100 bucks and a couple of hours of work, for peace of mind for years ? :confused:
 

Home Cookin'

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Here are a couple of basics:

You can't add startron, etc. to bad gas to make it better. The additives only preserve the gas in its present state--for a while.

I don't believe that the treatments like startron will be effective after three years, or even two. It's my impression that it's intended to work for several months, like over winter.

Mixing bad gas with good, such as on a 25%/75% ratio, can work but not if the old gas has water in it, including water produced from phase seperation, condensation and other E-10 issues.

Bad gas affects small and delicate engines--which includes lawn equipment. A tractor or 1980's vintage F150 can handle it. A computerized injection system in a car might not and the risk is an expensive repair. But the risk of a big expense from running bad gas through an old lawnmower is not as high, so some people chance it. And a lawn mower that isn't running well isn't far off from one that is.

"Lawnmower gas" goes bad, too, especially if it's E-10. If you don't use it all in a month or two, put it in your car* and get fresh. So don't use 2 year old gas in your lawn mower, whether it comes from the boat or the can in the garage.

Cars don't usually have the same problem because the gas is used within a month and there is usually less exposure to moist air in the tank.

*The advice to put it in your car sounds contrary to the above but here is the thinking: You dillute the stale gas (1 gallon) with a fresh tank (20 gallons) and you will use it all up in a week or so. This is not the same as several gallons at a time or two year old gas.

Some parts of the country don't experience the problem as much as others--this is a factor of temperature swings, high temps and high humidity. The guy in Minnesota can use year old gas all the time with no problem; the guy in Florida may have a problem with 6 month old gas.

Oil companies often do salvage/clean up work and they can take in your bad fuel, for a fee. You can even trailer your boat full of bad gas to them and they will suck it out. Some companies can come to your boat, clean and return the gas to your tank. City hazmat disposals often limit the number of gallons you can bring in.
 

blacksmith04

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Just pump it into 5gal buckets with lids and take it to the land fill. Where I live they take old gas and oil. I have to dump a tank of gas out of my wifes CJ-7 as it's about 5 years old. Itried to mix it with freash fuel. Didn't work too well. I would start and idle fine, but going down the road it would cough and sputer and stall.
 

gss036

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About the only way to salvage it would be to add the same type of alcohol used to make ethenaol, I had 3-4 yeard old gas in a old motor home and a friend who worked at one of our refineries had a gallon he carried for S&R duties. that helped enough to get some of the gas used in the tank and then kept adding perminum gas for 2-3 fillups. That is a lot of hassle. Good for burning brush and starting fires.
 

Art Bernard

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I bought a jabsco pump and I use an air drill/compressor. Jabsco's are a good solid rotary pump and air means no sparks. If your tank is built in, disconect your fuel hose from the bulb and attach the pump there. If you have a fuel/water sepperator, disconect the fuel supply to the sepperator and connect to that line (dont forget to dump the sepperator before you fill back up). Also with reguards to old gas, pump it out and kill ants with it. Parts and labor plus down time is not worth using old gas and really, do you want to be offshore without being 100% sure of your boat?


Art
 
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