OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

stspinner

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I have a 1987 Winner Escape with a 1986 model year 5.7 liter 4V motor, here my problems;

1) Runs at 180 degrees and upto 190 degrees if run WOT (4500 rpm w/ 17 pitch prop) for a few minutes .

I have fix and tried the following;

New thermosat (OMC 160 degree), new gauge and sensor veriftied temp was correct with Infra Red heat gun.
New raw water pump and housing verified flow to motor and back flushed from Tstat housing back through water pump to make sure the there was not a clog at the oil cooler. Installed clear hose section to watch flow while at speed and line is full no air bubbles. Check inlet on stern drive and all clear, I can watch the tsat housing with a heat gun and the tsat open at 160 then just climbs to 180 while idling at dock just stays there maybe 190 once in a while running hard ???

2) Engine runs rough at idle and surges while crusing on plane (3000-3200 rpm) boat feels like your triming it up and down even though your not ??

I have fixed and tried the following

New plugs twice/plug wires/ new cap & Rotor/ PO converted to electronic no points, rebuilt the carburator (Rochester Q Jet) had it ultra sonic clean at shop. New exhaut and elbow gaskets, set timing .

A couple of weeks ago it was real bad and would die / load up after running on plane then slowing to idle found that a new distrubter cap had corrosion in it, too to best shop/ Marina around and all that was found replaced cap and run as discribed above. Check compression all cyclinders 145-150 psi except # 5 was 135 psi. I also pluged all plug wire one at a time while running at 1000 rpm while in gear tied at dock each cyclinder would drop then you could hear it pick right back up ( keep thinking I'm dropping a cyclinder ) so I'm lost ??? Please help ! PS this boat was owed the last 15 years by two older gentlemen and not use at all, the local marina always winterized it and it just needed some TLC but this has me stumped ! Also the Valve cover breather have quite alot of moisture come out of them.
 

Levinz11

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

Sounds like you've checked everything on the intake side of the cooling system. How about the manifolds and risers? Exhaust flapper stuck?

By 4V you mean V8 right?
 

bruceb58

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

Just so you know its not your gauge/sender, get an IR thermometer and check what the actual temp is where the temp sender is located.

Did someone replace the module inside the distributor? If so, may want to reinstall the points to see if that's the issue.

Did you put new fuel in it and change the filters?
 

stspinner

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

Sounds like you've checked everything on the intake side of the cooling system. How about the manifolds and risers? Exhaust flapper stuck?

By 4V you mean V8 right?


4 V = 4 Barrel carb, new exhaust gaskets and elbow gaskets . cleaned all surface and interior passages
 

stspinner

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

Just so you know its not your gauge/sender, get an IR thermometer and check what the actual temp is where the temp sender is located.

Did someone replace the module inside the distributor? If so, may want to reinstall the points to see if that's the issue.

Did you put new fuel in it and change the filters?

Change the fuel / seperator filter also , I did check the temp with a quality IR meter Fluke I use at work, is 180 too hot ??
 

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

Yes.
 

stspinner

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

Jusst was out again and I think the surging is in the carburator, 3200 rpm is right were the boat has to transition to the secondaries on the 4 barrel, didn't notice it at 2800 or 3500 rpm. Anyone know about Quadra Jet 4 Barrel carbs ??? thought I had all orifaces cleaned well but I think thats were the surging is coming from, maybe the fuel pump ?? Still running at 180 degrees all the time maybe the raw water impeller ?? Just replaced it but ?? Any help would be great !
 

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

Just so you know its not your gauge/sender, get an IR thermometer and check what the actual temp is where the temp sender is located.

Did someone replace the module inside the distributor? If so, may want to reinstall the points to see if that's the issue.

Did you put new fuel in it and change the filters?

bruce 58,

Removed the thermostat (only the spring & center) reinstalled the outer section and it now runs 140 degrees max after Wide open throttle runs then cools down to 130, then common part of this is before it would start at 180 then go to 190 cool down to 180, once it hits max temp it only cools down 10 degrees ?? Is the raw water pump weak that wont push pass the motor water pump ?
 

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

The motor water pump is only used for circulating the water through the block.

Have you ever taken off the thermostat housing and thoroughly inspected it for corrosion on all its ports?

How hot were/are your manifolds getting?
 

stspinner

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

The motor water pump is only used for circulating the water through the block.

Have you ever taken off the thermostat housing and thoroughly inspected it for corrosion on all its ports?

How hot were/are your manifolds getting?

I had the maniflolds and risers off and reinstalled with new gaskets, cleaned and check with striaght edge all surfaces and they were not rusted or really cooroded, same with t stat housing not bad, boat was not used at all last ten years was a elderly mans second boat.

The riser are arounf 115 and get 145-150 after WOT runs . PS by center section of tsat I mean i put back the other ring and just remove the spring so that the flow would be slowed ( Back in drag race car days if you just took the complete tsat out water would circulate to fast with the restruction of the tsat so we would just remove the center,
 

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Re: OMC 5.7 liter 4 V over heating / running rough Help Please !

OK I'm still having problems after the motor warms up and after crusing it drops cyclinders at idle in no wake zones.
Boat Ran fine the rest of the season with the thermostat wired open temps would get about 140 then back to 120 degrees (new sending unit and gauge) also check with fluke IR temp gun. When it started to cool (NE Iowa) off I put a 140 degree t stat in and started having the problems again. Found small crack in port exhaust manifold and just replaced it with new old stock OMC OEM manifold and took it out tonight and after running a good 20-30 minutes it wont idle in the no wake zone coming back in to the marina ! Head gaskets ?? also have alot of moisture coming out the breathers to flame arestor ! compression check was 145-150 psi help I have the boat sold and thought the new manifold would solve the problem.
 
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