OMC Sterndrive

dubman

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hey guys, I was wondering if anyone can tell what model I have here. I'm pretty sure its an OMC stringer , pre 1986. Its Electric shift. I have another thread going already regarding a shift issue but I would love to know what I have here for once and for all. There are no markings on the sterndrive other then the 225 HP plate. Here are the pics.
 

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Re: OMC Sterndrive

hey guys, I was wondering if anyone can tell what model I have here. I'm pretty sure its an OMC stringer , pre 1986. Its Electric shift. I have another thread going already regarding a shift issue but I would love to know what I have here for once and for all. There are no markings on the sterndrive other then the 225 HP plate. Here are the pics.


This is an omc stringer drive, electric shift. They are usually always painted white from factory. Someone painted this one black.

The top cap has 5 bolts which means it was made between 1967 - 1977. 1977 is the last year omc made the electric shift. After tha t came the 800 series.

Check out this link for some good information about stringers http://hhscott.com/evinrude/omc_stringer.htm

Hope this helps

Cheers
 

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Based on the HP, you're after '72 ... but based on the "arm through the transom" steering, you're not past '72 by much. You don't find many boats newer than 72-74 with that steering set.

There's not much difference between Electric Shift Stringers, and OMC didn't really seem to assign them model numbers. So, there's not a lot of identifiers for them. Do you know how old the engine is? You may be able to get an idea of age if that's the original engine for the stern drive.
 

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Engine.jpg Engine has the same issue, no markers. Here's a pic. THX a mill for all the info guys.
 

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Re: OMC Sterndrive

This is an omc stringer drive, electric shift. They are usually always painted white from factory. Someone painted this one black.

The top cap has 5 bolts which means it was made between 1967 - 1977. 1977 is the last year omc made the electric shift. After tha t came the 800 series.

Check out this link for some good information about stringers Evinrude Boats: OMC Electric-Shift Model 14 Stern Drive ? 2004 Lee K. Shuster

Hope this helps

Cheers

that website you referenced is great. First time I've really seen the clutch spring position. I believe my forward spring is shot so it helps to see its exact position.
 

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The engine should have a tag somewhere (unless it's been removed). Mine is located on the Starboard side, toward the back mount. Like so:
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You can't quite see the tag well, but you can get an idea of location.
 

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View attachment 178875 Engine has the same issue, no markers. Here's a pic. THX a mill for all the info guys.

I think you're gunna find you may have a Frankenstein engine there.
No cooling circulation pump is interesting. The '72-'74 SBC engines in shop.evinrude.com parts diagrams all had circulation pumps. The alternator bracket looks like a later style one that GM used, although they may have started using them by the mid 70's. I'm persuaded to think the engine was a transplant from something.

You can get the GM casting number from the back of the engine to figure out what the displacement is, and an approximate era of when the block may have been cast. Facing the engine like this picture, it would be in the back right corner, in the area where a transmission would bolt to. If this engine came from a GM car, and hasn't been decked, there may be also be a GM suffix code stamped into the deck. It would be on a bump extending out in the front left, which would be right behind the alternator. You could use that suffix code to figure out what this engine may have been installed in. If you care to, get these numbers and post them up here, and I or someone else can look them up.
 

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It may be my imagination but it looks like you have an EGR valve on there. That makes me question if the alternator and distributor are automotive versions as well.

The thermostat housing looks strange. Where do those 2 hoses connect?
 

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It may be my imagination but it looks like you have an EGR valve on there. That makes me question if the alternator and distributor are automotive versions as well.

The thermostat housing looks strange. Where do those 2 hoses connect?

Taking a closer look.... Yep, that's an EGR valve... :facepalm:
 

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I think you are right its a Frankenstein. The boat was home built so it makes sense that they might have put the whole thing together with bits and pieces. I have always thought it was a old GM engine perhaps from a car. There are quite a few unconnected hoses etc. I'm not up on the mechanics of it enough to know what does what.
 

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I think you are right its a Frankenstein. The boat was home built so it makes sense that they might have put the whole thing together with bits and pieces. I have always thought it was a old GM engine perhaps from a car. There are quite a few unconnected hoses etc. I'm not up on the mechanics of it enough to know what does what.

To get this thing to run right, and more importantly be safe, you're best off familiarizing your self with what's what. ;)

To start off, you should look for a factory service manual that at least covers an engine like what would have come with that drive. Some of the OMC guru's may have suggestions on which one would work.

Take some detailed photo's of the distributor, carburetor, alternator, starter, fuel pump, and post them up here. To minimize any risk of explosion from fuel leaks/vapor, these should all be marine rated, and chances are high that if this engine was swapped out of a car, the bit's I mentioned may also be from a car, and not up to the task.

Your current cooling system, IMHO is risky. There are some people who will remove the circulating pump from their engine, and trust the impeller to both draw, and circulate the water, but I personally wouldn't trust it. You run great risk of localized overheating in the engine (something a temp gauge may not tell you), which can damage individual cylinders. It may cost some $$$ to get it back to what the factory intended for a cooling system, but personally I wouldn't take the boat out any distance (especially in open water) with out the cooling system being up to snuff.

As we've also seen in your photo, an EGR valve used to control NOx emissions in a car has no place on a boat. It can be disconnected and removed if you can fashion a block-off plate for the opening, or you could leave it in place (disconnected) to cover the passages for now. If the intake is aluminum (which it doesn't look to be by the photo), and you're running it in salt, you are going to want to change it over to an iron intake, or jacketed aluminum intake in the future.

I'll offer again, if you want to know what this engine is, and where came from, post the casting numbers and suffix code (if you can find one), and I can look it up for you. You may need to wire brush the little tab at the front of the left deck surface on the engine in order to read the suffix code if it hasn't been milled off by a machine shop.
 

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I believe you are right on the cooling system. My manuals all show a cooling system on the actual engine. Mine does not seem to have this nor does it seem to have been removed. I am including a bunch of close up shots of the alternator and carburetor and other items. Thanks for checking into this for me. I will say that the cooling system at least "appears" to be working well. The temp gauge stays well down and there is plenty of water coming out of both exhausts at the back of the boat. The engine also runs well and starts up everytime. I've had it on the ocean about 10 times now and each trip has gone without a problem. The clutch spring problem actually developed while I was running it on the trailer (luckily) and not out at sea.
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Finally got a chance to really examine the engine and look for numbers. Here's what I found. On the back right there is a number GM 970010. On top of the engine casing there is another number with letters. It says CONV 8 D15 76 just like that.
 

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Dunno' if I'm getting this right, but here's the best I come up with:

Your stern drive is probably early 70's. The OMC 225HP's were generally a Chevy 307 (almost all of 'em). I think from the numbers you have a 350 on there ... probably from a car or truck.
 

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Ayuh,.... Yer block castin' number is a 2 pc rear main seal, 4" bore, 302/ 327/ 350 block, dependin' on which crankshaft was used....

The Carb, ain't what belongs there,...
The Fuel Pump, Ain't a marine unit,...
'n I can't see enough of the alternator, starter, nor distributor to tell...
though the back 1/2 of the alternator, does appear to be right...
 

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thx guys, I'll look replacing the non marine components in the coming months. Fishing doesn't start until May :)
 

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I'd let to get your opinions on a few big questions. I love this old boat and would like to get it up to full working condition. Right now it looks like I have a forward clutch spring shot in the sterndrive. The price I have been quoted is about $900 for parts and labor. I realize that while the drive is pulled I may as well service many other items, impeller, seals etc (there is definitely water in the oil in both upper and lower units). Here are the big questions.
1. At what point do I consider replacing the entire sterndrive.
2. Can I even get an electric shift OMC drive to fit my engine or even better something different with a manual shift that would work.
3. How much would that cost.
THX in advance for your input
 

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I had my stern-drive ('72 electric shift) "clunk" on me a couple of years ago. A little searching on Craigslist (and being willing to drive a couple hours for it) found me a working electric shift drive for $450. I also was able to track down a good parts boat that I scrounged a bunch of stuff in reserve off of for $75.

You have to be patient, willing to drive a couple hours for it but parts can be found for a reasonable price.

There are remanufactured drives out there. I'm not sure I'd personally sink a that much money into an OMC Stringer. The lower units run close to $2k for a remanufactured. You can buy a lake ready boat right now for right around $3k.

Ya' kinda' have to make it a math game with an OMC - how much am I willing to spend on this boat?
 

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I had my stern-drive ('72 electric shift) "clunk" on me a couple of years ago. A little searching on Craigslist (and being willing to drive a couple hours for it) found me a working electric shift drive for $450. I also was able to track down a good parts boat that I scrounged a bunch of stuff in reserve off of for $75.

You have to be patient, willing to drive a couple hours for it but parts can be found for a reasonable price.

There are remanufactured drives out there. I'm not sure I'd personally sink a that much money into an OMC Stringer. The lower units run close to $2k for a remanufactured. You can buy a lake ready boat right now for right around $3k.

Ya' kinda' have to make it a math game with an OMC - how much am I willing to spend on this boat?

I hear ya. I might start trawling craigslist and ebay now
 
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