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for a 1200LB boat w/ a 115HP 2 stroke at wide open throttle how many gallons of fuel is used per hour?

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By stevethebrain at 2011-11-01
 

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I believe the general rule is 10% of hp so it would be roughly 11.5 gallons per hour but that can vary quite alot.
 

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Check: Yamaha Outboard Performance Bulletins for MPH, GPH, MPG chart for your boat/motor rig.
But as 5150 abf said, 10% of your motor's Horsepower is the rule of thumb for fuel flow at Wide Open Throttle. Generally the best fuel efficiency is at a speed/RPM just above plane...On my 18' jon boat and 90HP motor, it's right about 3500RPM's. I know my rig can rip right through $50 worth of gas in a hurry!:eek:
 

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Re: ? on fuel effeciency

I believe the general rule is 10% of hp so it would be roughly 11.5 gallons per hour but that can vary quite alot.
I don't believe this 10% rule applies to this boat.it's alumimin.
are you saying WOT fuel usage per hour is normalley 10% reguardless of hull wieght?

isn't there a rule of thumb for engine size to hull wieght ratio?
Thanks STB

Check: Yamaha Outboard Performance Bulletins for MPH, GPH, MPG chart for your boat/motor rig.
But as 5150 abf said, 10% of your motor's Horsepower is the rule of thumb for fuel flow at Wide Open Throttle. Generally the best fuel efficiency is at a speed/RPM just above plane...On my 18' jon boat and 90HP motor, it's right about 3500RPM's. I know my rig can rip right through $50 worth of gas in a hurry!:eek:
I'll check into Yamaha Outboard Performance Bulletins for this type boat I'm concidering.
The litarture that came w/ my 15' deep Vhull boat has a chart each size engine corresonded to a MPH.

how much doe's you 18' jon weight I'm thinking even a all welded heavy jon w/ a 90HP hauls ***.
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Re: ? on fuel effeciency

Can be as high as 12% at wot and full max rpm's stated for that engine. Usually the max engine a boat is rated for; better to calculate for less gallons than for more.

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Wide open throttle GPH is roughly the same whether your pushng a houseboat or a runabout.
Best practical MPG is accomplished with a setup with the most speed for a given throttle setting. Usually just on plane up to about 1000 rpm more.The mpg difference between a boat with a good setup and one with a perfect setup would probably have to be measured with a flow meter.
 

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Wide open throttle GPH is roughly the same whether your pushng a houseboat or a runabout.
Best practical MPG is accomplished with a setup with the most speed for a given throttle setting. Usually just on plane up to about 1000 rpm more.The mpg difference between a boat with a good setup and one with a perfect setup would probably have to be measured with a flow meter.
I thought GPH was how boats MPG (cars) was mearsured.
when you say Wide open throttle GPH is roughly the same whether your pushng a houseboat or a runabout now makes sense to me. the houseboat will obviously be slower than my desired runabout type boat pictured above.
this boats max HP rating is 140HP most of these mr210 SCs I see for sale have 90HP or less.

my main objective is to have a top speed of 60knots it has been suggested that a 115HP will acomplish this desired speed of 60knots?

I believe this boat comes orginally w/ a 25 gallon in floor gas tank so I'm curious how long can I be at WOT in calculating trip distance.
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Re: ? on fuel effeciency

I don't believe this 10% rule applies to this boat.it's alumimin.
are you saying WOT fuel usage per hour is normalley 10% reguardless of hull wieght?

isn't there a rule of thumb for engine size to hull wieght ratio?
Thanks STB

I'll check into Yamaha Outboard Performance Bulletins for this type boat I'm concidering.
The litarture that came w/ my 15' deep Vhull boat has a chart each size engine corresonded to a MPH.

how much doe's you 18' jon weight I'm thinking even a all welded heavy jon w/ a 90HP hauls ***.
Thanks STB
My Express 1870 MV jon hull weight is 550lbs., motor is 90HP Yamaha at 268lbs., so it's got plenty of power and speed...only thing is the relatively flat hull makes a lot of drag and boat will porpoise if trimmed up too much, so we cruise in the 25 to 30 MPH range. With your V hull, you can trim it up for reduced drag and more speed! The 10% is just a rule of thumb, varies with hull and 2 or 4 sroke motors, weight, prop, etc. Good Luck!
 

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my main objective is to have a top speed of 60knots it has been suggested that a 115HP will acomplish this desired speed of 60knots?

60 knots is almost 70mph. Are you sure you want to go that fast in a 21' aluminum boat?

I'd be very surprised if 115hp would do it, but I've been wrong before. It takes a lot of power to push a boat that fast....any boat.
 

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My 16' Checkmate with a 115 Yamaha on it, trimmed up, would make 60MPH, but I doubt that 115 of yours is going to push that 21' aluminum boat much over 50MPH...just too much hull/drag in the water! You might do 60MPH with a 200HP on it.
 

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This ain't rocket science. At WOT your 115 will burn roughly 11.5 gallons of fuel per hour. You have a 25 gallon fuel tank. 11.5 goes into 25 twice so if you ran wot for two hours you had better be within a 10 minutes or so of a marina or have extra fuel aboard. If your combination allowed the boat to reach 50 MPH you would have traveled 100 miles in those two hours. NOW can figure "miles per gallon. In case you are math challenged, that would be about 4 MPG. GPH is used as a fuel consumption measure by boaters because MPG is not known until the trip is over (gallons used vs miles traveled) unless you have a fuel flow meter and a GPS to determine distance traveled. A flow meter alone will tell you within 1/8 mile after you leave the dock what the flow rate (GPH). Based on the amount of fuel you have you know whether or not you can reach your destination (assuming you know how far it is to that destination). OK -- I've opened this can of worms.
 

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My 16' Checkmate with a 115 Yamaha on it, trimmed up, would make 60MPH, but I doubt that 115 of yours is going to push that 21' aluminum boat much over 50MPH...just too much hull/drag in the water! You might do 60MPH with a 200HP on it.

a checkmate also probably has 24 degrees of deadrise at the transom...

I agree... too much hull Here's a speed formula:

http://hhscott.com/evinrude/docs/BSLAC.htm

Use 180 as the constant (according to JB's formula) and perfectly propped ETC you get around 47...
 

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a desired top speed of 60 knots? thats movin along quite well in a boat. speed costs money, and if yer worried about gph, and wanting to go that fast......you need a new hobby. jmo
 

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My Express 1870 MV jon hull weight is 550lbs., motor is 90HP Yamaha at 268lbs., so it's got plenty of power and speed...only thing is the relatively flat hull makes a lot of drag and boat will porpoise if trimmed up too much, so we cruise in the 25 to 30 MPH range. With your V hull, you can trim it up for reduced drag and more speed! The 10% is just a rule of thumb, varies with hull and 2 or 4 sroke motors, weight, prop, etc. Good Luck!
are you saying you'r 90HP has to much power for you'r boat?

60 knots is almost 70mph. Are you sure you want to go that fast in a 21' aluminum boat?

I'd be very surprised if 115hp would do it, but I've been wrong before. It takes a lot of power to push a boat that fast....any boat.
is it unsafe to go 60Knots in an aluimin? water conditions will be flat water for this every now and then speed, just to know I have the capability when I fell like surprising a real power boat.

My 16' Checkmate with a 115 Yamaha on it, trimmed up, would make 60MPH, but I doubt that 115 of yours is going to push that 21' aluminum boat much over 50MPH...just too much hull/drag in the water! You might do 60MPH with a 200HP on it.
maybe a fin on the motor will make it plane better and reduce drag I have one on my little 15' and it planes allmost instantly?
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By stevethebrain at 2011-10-07


This ain't rocket science. At WOT your 115 will burn roughly 11.5 gallons of fuel per hour. You have a 25 gallon fuel tank. 11.5 goes into 25 twice so if you ran wot for two hours you had better be within a 10 minutes or so of a marina or have extra fuel aboard. If your combination allowed the boat to reach 50 MPH you would have traveled 100 miles in those two hours. NOW can figure "miles per gallon. In case you are math challenged, that would be about 4 MPG. GPH is used as a fuel consumption measure by boaters because MPG is not known until the trip is over (gallons used vs miles traveled) unless you have a fuel flow meter and a GPS to determine distance traveled. A flow meter alone will tell you within 1/8 mile after you leave the dock what the flow rate (GPH). Based on the amount of fuel you have you know whether or not you can reach your destination (assuming you know how far it is to that destination). OK -- I've opened this can of worms.
I'm intending on a project boat that will require a repower so I'm basically researching HP, fuel, and speed before hand hopefully I can meet my expectations first time.

I did'nt know about fuel flow meters sound good. however I normalley go to the same destination in Destin, FL first trip will give me a good idea of the required amount of fuel.

?when carrying spare fuel tanks how is spare fuel filled into the main fuel tank w/ a funnel and just poured in? or can a bulb pump line be used?

a desired top speed of 60 knots? thats movin along quite well in a boat. speed costs money, and if yer worried about gph, and wanting to go that fast......you need a new hobby. jmo
not overly concerned w/ cost of speed just curious.

I have been boating in my small 15' since 1990 that's when I get a chance and have had lots of fun on the water. I'm finding out a 21' boat (basically a larger version of my 15' boat) is in a differnt league.
Thanks to all for explaining
 

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?when carrying spare fuel tanks how is spare fuel filled into the main fuel tank w/ a funnel and just poured in? or can a bulb pump line be used?

It's an outboard. You just have a separate fuel line for the spare tank and switch it at the motor.
 

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I think you are reading your gps wrong. On your 15 ft. 45 knots is over 50 mph.Not possible with that setup You are more likely reading kilometers which converts to 27mph.
A much more probable and respectable speed for that setup.
A 21 footer with a 115 will actually be close to underpowered. Slightly above minimum
suggested. I would think speed would be in the high 30s to low 40s.
I've seen a number of 17ft al. boats with 115s run in the low to mid 40s.
 

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It's an outboard. You just have a separate fuel line for the spare tank and switch it at the motor.
Ok EZ I thought the boats w/ builtin fuel tanks had a fuel line preamently attached to engine so all OBs have the quick dissconnect fuel line.

EZ if I decide on dual engines doe's the fuel line have like a T (like one fuel line feeding both engines)?or doe's each engine have it's own fuel tank?
Thanks STB

I think you are reading your gps wrong. On your 15 ft. 45 knots is over 50 mph.Not possible with that setup You are more likely reading kilometers which converts to 27mph.
A much more probable and respectable speed for that setup.
A 21 footer with a 115 will actually be close to underpowered. Slightly above minimum
suggested. I would think speed would be in the high 30s to low 40s.
I've seen a number of 17ft al. boats with 115s run in the low to mid 40s.
I have a chart which came w/ my boats lituature it shows top speed for a given engine. when I upgraded from the orginale 15HP the dealership showed me this chart so I opted for the max size engine 25HP for my 200LB hull.

I will attemp to post this chart for you.

Actualley I did'nt use a GPS to determine top speed I was clocked w/ another boat a 17' fiberglass hull w/ a 115 that had a speedometer.

We raced from FT. Walton BCH to the East pass 6 miles this boat cound'nt pass me when we slowed down at the no wake area we disscussed the race mainly the speed this is how I confirmed the charts top speed.

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Re: ? on fuel effeciency

I don't believe this 10% rule applies to this boat.it's alumimin.
are you saying WOT fuel usage per hour is normalley 10% reguardless of hull wieght?


like written above when it comes to gallons per hour its pretty regardless what kind of boat- the engine just pushes full power and needs xx amount of fuel for doing it one hour long. its not regardless what kind of boat when it comes to the question how many miles you will do in this one hour- so what your comsuption per mile is.

11-12 gallons per hour at WOT seems pretty realistic to me, maybe even a little more than that.
 

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Prop calculator says your motor with a 2.15 gear ratio
12% slip at 5500 rpm 12" prop should make 25.6 mph. about 24knots.That is disregarding the size and weight of your boat.Abreviation for knots is kts kilometers is km.
A brand new Etec 25 on a 280 lb 16ft aluminum runs about 31 mph.about 28kts.
I have a 88 50hp evinrude with a 19" pitch 2.42 ratio on an 18ft 375 lb Crestliner utility
at 5500 calculator says 38/39 mph.
I see you have a fin on your motor it does inprove hole shot but if it isn't comepletely clear of the water at wot it is slowing your boat
 

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Re: ? on fuel effeciency

Crazy thread.
You get the the boat on plane at full throttle, than back off the throttle so it stays on plane.:rolleyes:
 
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