One battery or two

scutly

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Re: One battery or two

Either way will disconnect everything except items wired directly to the batteries (such as bilge pumps) when the switch is "off".

The switch that comes with the Add-A-Battery switch gives you the options below. There's no way to connect only the battery on the top left to the starter:

wouldnt the dead starter battery be locked out in the combine setting? so in reality if the start battery goes dead. the ACR will lock it out when the combine switch is on so that the house battery goes directly to the starter?

Under voltage lockout?will not close when the lower battery is below 10.8V at 12V operation
 

45Auto

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Re: One battery or two

wouldnt the dead starter battery be locked out in the combine setting? so in reality if the start battery goes dead. the ACR will lock it out when the combine switch is on so that the house battery goes directly to the starter?

Under voltage lockout?will not close when the lower battery is below 10.8V at 12V operation

The ACR is an Automatic CHARGING Relay. It is connected between the alternator and the batteries. It has NOTHING to do with which batteries are powering the starter or accessories. That is controlled entirely by the switch. The "disconnecting" referred to in the specs is referring to the fact that even though the ACR is wired between the batteries, no current can flow through the ACR when you're trying to start the boat.

Current will flow from the higher to the lower voltage potential. When you're trying to start your boat, the starting battery will drop down a couple of volts. If the ACR didn't disconnect during starting, the second battery would try to flow current to the starting battery through the ACR. The ACR cannot handle starting currents.

The "Under voltage lockout?will not close when the lower battery is below 10.8V at 12V operation" in the specs is referring to the fact that the ACR WILL NOT CLOSE and therefore try to charge both your batteries if one of the batteries falls below 10.8 volts. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STARTING CIRCUIT. The LED will not be lit and you know that you have a problem with one of your batteries.

As you can see from the Blue Sea ACR diagram below, the ACR is only between the batteries. The switch controls which battery is the starting battery.

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To try to make it as simple as possible:

The "A" terminal on the ACR is connected to one battery and your alternator.

The "B" terminal on the ACR is connected to the second battery.

If both batteries are good, the ACR (Automatic CHARGING Relay) will close when the engine is running and both batteries will charge. The LED comes on when it closes so you know both batteries are charging.

If the second battery is bad, the ACR LED will blink. It will be trying to close but will open again immediatly because the second battery is bad.

If your primary battery is bad, the LED will not come on at all. The ACR will never try to close. This is so your bad battery will not pull down your good second battery.

All the ACR is doing is automatically charging the second battery. It just keeps you from having to remember to move your switch back and forth to keep both batteries fully charged.

Both the batteries in my boat stay fully charged, even though my switch has been set on #1 without moving for over 2 years. If my #1 battery goes bad, I can move the switch to #2 and have a fully charged battery totally isolated from the bad one.
 

bruceb58

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Re: One battery or two

45auto has a good diagram up there. my only comment is to ditch the wingnuts. Never use wingnuts on a battery.
 

dirtdiver

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Re: One battery or two

so from the batts to the relay and to the alt and starter you wanna use marine batt cable right? What guage is needed? And what about the other wires?
 

redone4x4

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Re: One battery or two

the marine batteries i've seen use wingnut terminals.....
 

bruceb58

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I use stainless locknuts. Wingnuts have a habit of coming loose and if you are using a wrench or pliers to tighten them, you should just switch to a locknut since you won't be loosening them with your hand anyway.
 

Howard Sterndrive

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Re: One battery or two

I going to remove my problematic 1/2 switch and wiring and removed my second battery.

I picked this up instead....
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marine specific- it has RED and GREEN LED navigation lights, an air compressor, an LED worklight, digital voltage readout.... AGM battery 800A, two 120V 400W outlets, USB outlet, 12V socket

on sale , it cost about the same as a high quality marine battery.
 

a70eliminator

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Re: One battery or two

That reminds me of my little Yamaha gas powered generator 1000W 110v and 12V power supply and charger, it weighs probably just a little more than a battery, never thought about having it on my boat.
 

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98sanger

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Re: One battery or two

I love this thread, great information. Just bought an ACR and am going to rewire my entire battery setup. For wiring the ACR what guage of wire should I use?

Question, I have a powerful stereo that I like to play on shore, mainly the reason to rewire and get the ACR, batteries always die. Should I wire all of the stereo equipment (head unit, amps, sub) to BATT 2 or to the common part of the switch?

Ideally I'd like to turn the motor off and switch to BATT 2 to just play the stereo. Didn't know if that was the smartest setup or to just have to go to the common portion of the switch.

Thanks!
 

boxingtodd

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Re: One battery or two

I am new to this boating thing, and have a question about the dual battery setup. It seems like i came to the right place. I am concerned using the second battery for radio. it this setup to be used for 2 starting batteries, or a single starting battery and a deep-cycle battery? If someone could explain the difference it would be appreciated.
thanks
 

bruceb58

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Re: One battery or two

I am new to this boating thing, and have a question about the dual battery setup. It seems like i came to the right place. I am concerned using the second battery for radio. it this setup to be used for 2 starting batteries, or a single starting battery and a deep-cycle battery? If someone could explain the difference it would be appreciated.
thanks
Any combo.
 
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