One Rich bank, one lean bank.

Tim Frank

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Re: One Rich bank, one lean bank.

But the top carb feeds the top cylinders, bottom carb feeds the bottom ones. This is a port and starboard complaint.
Kind of rules out a carb issue.
 

Tim Frank

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I will post some pics as soon as possible. Allthough the plugs did jump a 7/16 gap and they are all bran new, gapped at the same gap of .030. Thanks for the reply!

What plug?
 

maryhannaj

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As for the plug gap jump, all of them according to the shop that serviced the motor before I bought it. Hang on for a bit all. I've been out working all day long in the rain with no shoes, up hill both ways not wearing a coat with nothin but a lantern in the dark to get more info and pics for you all. Hopefully they will work out.
I'll get back in a bit. Thanks all!
 

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Ok. I'll get started. I spent some time today doing an idle only run because that is the only way I could do these checks at the end of the season. It was done in this order.
1.idle run for about 20 minutes.
2. Checked temp with infrared thermometer in a few different spots.
A.top of each cylinder head.
B.water cover area over each cylinder.
C.area covering thermostat and releif valves on both sides.
3. Removed spark plugs and did a compression check in this order, cyld #1, cyld #3, cyld #2, then cyld #4

Cylinder#1.
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Ok I'll take a stab at it. So let's a assume the motor is running perfectly, perfect carbs, good temperature, good compression, good recirulation system, etc...... So why is one bank richer than the other? First the factory trys to make the air flow though the block the same for all cylinders, same intake shapes, same crankcase shapes, same reeds, etc. This would then indicate that they can use the same size jets in each carburetor and all cylinders would burn the same, but the problem is that each set of rings seals a bit differently to each cylinder, creating slightly different crankcase pressures (both positive and negative) as the piston movers up and down. This causes a change in airflow across the carburetor this causes a change in fuel flow through the jets. Now you have 4 cylinders with the same carburetor jetting all burning a bit differently. The factory simply jets for the richest possibility, some cyinders run perfect, while some run a tad rich. You could rejet and make it run a bit better, but probably not worth the time. Ok, so now what about the rich and lean from bank to bank? ( the original question). Crankshaft rotation is the answer. The crankshaft rotates clockwise, and on one bank of cylinders the rotation of the parts improves fuel and air movement, on the other bank it hinders it. So one runs rich and one runs lean. Here again the factory jets for the richest posibility.
 

maryhannaj

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Im trying pretty hard to wrap my head around the "help and hinder"part, but the differential pressure on the intake of the carb throats makes great sense especially at idle and relying on the venturi air flow of the low speed(pilot circuit). Thank you. Any more clarification would be great.
In the mean time, I will try and post the pics of the othrr 3 cylinders. The weather hss been making it pretty difficult. Thanks again all!
 

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And here are the temperature readings from the tops of the heads. I forgot them in the first groups.

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That doesn't look like much difference between plugs.

And if those temperature readings are after the engine's had plenty of time to warm up they're way too low, indicating you need to replace the thermostats.
 

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Temp is too low. Should be 140 or so. Look for problems in thermos. If I saw that on a motor, I would immediately suspect that the thermos had been removed!!!!
 

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I uderstand that everyone has their way of doing things. Yes it does run good and strong. But being a mechanic, yet new to outboards, I am sure that a bit of preventative maintenance goes a long way.
Without digging on this subject, being unfamilliar with my first ever outboard motor, I would have not been aware of a cooling system problem. Thank you to all again who have offered their knowlege and experience on the subject matter of my concern.
 

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If your temp gun is accurate, the temps are way to low.
 

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That's what I understand from a few of the posts helping out. That is the reason I took the pics. I wanted to show what the test equipment is actually reading.
I haven't yet located in my Johnson/Evinrude manual the specs on safe and unsafe water temps. They have beed mentioned in this thread(much appreciated).
Daselbee mentioned the immediate suspicion of missing thermos. Why would someone do this? Please help me understand the purpose of thermos in an outboard motor. With a motor that depends completely on it's outside environment and the water temperature of that environment for cooling purposes, wouldn't it be better to run as cool as possible? Or is this just an added fail safe of sorts?
 

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If the motor idles correctly with no spit or fart in water(backpressure) the low speed jetting is correct. Your really chasing a non existent problem...
 

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If the motor idles correctly with no spit or fart in water(backpressure) the low speed jetting is correct. Your really chasing a non existent problem...
Very true there....maybe no problem at all. Missing thermos....here in Florida, motors pick up a lot of sand, causing the thermos to stick open or closed...in other words, fail. People just take them out, and run the engine at basically ambient water temp. It fouls plugs, cokes up the rings, etc., but they still do it. I am not saying yours are gone for sure, but that is the first thing I think of when I see head temps like yours. There are two exhaust relief ports on the back of the leg, just below the lower cowling edge. Is water gushing out of those holes at idle? If so, these things may be happening: 1. Thermos missing or stuck open. 2. Poppet valves inside thermo housing are missing, stuck open, or assembled wrong. 3. Water pump pressure is too high, lifting the poppet valves off their seats. This can happen when using aftermarket water pumps like Sierra, etc.
 
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Re: One Rich bank, one lean bank.

Please help me understand the purpose of thermos in an outboard motor. With a motor that depends completely on it's outside environment and the water temperature of that environment for cooling purposes, wouldn't it be better to run as cool as possible? Or is this just an added fail safe of sorts?

If the engine runs too cool (especially at idle) it's going to run worse, foul plugs, and have a better chance of sticking rings with carbon deposits. The book calls for the cylinder head temp to be around 140 at idle, then above approximately 2500 rpm the thermostats unseat and temperature drops to 125.
 

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The chasing of the spark plug color issue has ceased. Although I did mention in an earlier post that by researching what I believed to be a possible lean condition problem, led me to what is a definate maintenance issue. The cooling system.
Everything I have read in these posts, plus symptoms and the conditions of our more local water bodies leads me to believe that the thermos are either as suggested, stuck open or missing.
1. We have drought ridden, shallow and often windblown bodies of water to operate in. Basically dirty water.
2. Water temps are unusually low.
3. Water does in fact gush from the holes down just above the anti-vent plate.
4. A very recent series of de-carb and run ups have significantly increased compression on all 4, leading me to beleive the rings have been gummed up for a while due to this issue.
It makes good sense when it is explained why they serve a good purpose. I appreciate the input and knowlege from experience as usual.
Thanks to everyone!
 
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