Overweight 8-Year-Old May Be Taken Into Protective Custody

[crunch]

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Update: (just so you guys will have more to argue about )

A grossly overweight eight-year-old boy who weighs four times the healthy weight of a child his age has been allowed by Social Services to stay with his family.

Connor McCreaddie, from Wallsend, North Tyneside, weighed 15stone 8lb before Christmas and has since lost one-and-a-half stone thanks to intensive exercise and healthier eating.[/b]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/paChildTues18OverweightboyUD.html

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Good, they adrressed the problem with seemingly good results.....
Much better than sticking your head in the sand & ignoring that a problem existed......

 

[QC]

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I do fear the slippery slope, or as I have said, line drawing. I don't know that I feel a whole lot different about drugs either. Before you flip out, think about it . . .

Let's say, God forbid, that my 13 YO is doing crystal meth. I know it and I am trying to limit his access to suspect friends, opportunities etc. He seems very enthusiastic about Little League ball and he begs me to play. I am also concerned about his self esteem (mixing in things our favorite liberals understand) so I allow him to play to keep him within the mainstream and remind him of his athleticism and to hopefully expose him to the good values that should go along. Little do I know that his "supplier" is the third baseman on the team. And I have just made it easier for him to continue his habit :%

Am I a negligent parent because I let the kid out of total lock down?

This debate is a good one, but it is clear to me that many of you want more kids taken away from their parents more often. I guess, in a way, I do too; but it is pretty scary stuff . . .

 

[Haut Medoc]

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A: He should go into treatment immediately before he kills himself......
Am I a negligent parent because I let the kid out of total lock down?
If he is doing Meth.......
Yes, you are........IMHO

 

[QC]

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Good, they adrressed the problem with seemingly good results.....

I agree. Good.

Much better than sticking your head in the sand & ignoring that a problem existed......

Who did that? Maybe the parents, but I still think that deciding what is and what isn't child abuse is very dangerous territory. Not territory that shouldn't be entered, but very slippery . . . Usually I like to prioritise this type of thing. Let's make sure were are pretty efficient and good at identifying the real victims of physical and sexual abuse first. When we have that down, maybe we can start identifying parents who are truly negligent, because their kids don't eat what some define as a healthy diet.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Kev,
do you think this fat kid is being abused? Yes or no?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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I don't care what he eats, just the amount ......
Which, in this case, excessive enough that it was alarming to anyone with some sense.....

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Great Job Plainsman, (Eric) n' QC, (Kevin), well said, n' well defended. Regards! JR8)8)

 

[QC]

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Kev,
do you think this fat kid is being abused? Yes or no?

No.

I was not gonna comment further, but I can't help it . . . := To me language is the only thing we've got for defining, describing etc. To me calling this abuse is like defining rape as anytime a woman regrets having sex. And before you laugh, this has been a promoted definition by some women's rights orgs.

"The woman need not have felt threatened or coerced at the time of the sex act for that act to be sexual violence. In the light of regrets, the women might conclude later that she had been coerced." http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/macelroy1.html

I don't like watering down words that define extreme behavior. Soooo, I think this might be called negligence, but no, not abuse.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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I think that if you are shown to be over a certain percentage of your ideal body weight you will automatically be disqualified for health insurance.

I'm a healthy, eat decent male, who exercises regularly to stay in shape who's paying out of his azz to help fat people get health care. That's BS. Fat is a problem, not a disease. I've paid into my health care plan for years, without once going to the hospital for an emergency, much less a fat-caused health issue.

If there would be consequences to being overweight such as refusal of medical insurance then people would start seeing the light. No if's ands or buts. No doctors excuses as to a good reason why you're fat. "If you fat, you on your own."

It's just not fair for healthy people to pay for the health care of fat people.

 

[RPJS]

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I wish the TV program shown here in the UK had also been shown in the USA.

This boys mother has got to be the most bone idle lazy woman I have ever seen, she doesn't get out of bed in the morning to get the lad ready for school, even on his birthday, the clip of her laying in bed smoking as he leaves for school says it all, the house they live in has never been cleaned (you need to see the film footage you would just not belive the state of it), when she does eventualy get out of her pit she goes down stairs lays on the sofa and watches TV. If she does get off her butt when he comes home she heats up 2 or 3 ready meals for him, she says that if she dosn't give him as much for his tea he will pester her all night for snacks and she "can't be doing with that". She then goes on to blame every one but herself for his size, the doctor didn't do anything, the school havent helped and the best one, the manufacturers of the ready meals he eats should have made them less fattening.

This woman has not been stupid nor has she been negligent, what she has done to this child due to her lazyness is down right criminal, if anyone was to treat an animal this way they would be behind bars by now.

The dictionary definition of the word abuse is: To use improperly or injuriously... To hurt by treating wrongly.

Therfore in order to say that this is not abuse you would have to say that this woman has treated this boy correctly.

 

[JasonJ]

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I think that if you are shown to be over a certain percentage of your ideal body weight you will automatically be disqualified for health insurance.

I'm a healthy, eat decent male, who exercises regularly to stay in shape who's paying out of his azz to help fat people get health care. That's BS. Fat is a problem, not a disease. I've paid into my health care plan for years, without once going to the hospital for an emergency, much less a fat-caused health issue.

If there would be consequences to being overweight such as refusal of medical insurance then people would start seeing the light. No if's ands or buts. No doctors excuses as to a good reason why you're fat. "If you fat, you on your own."

It's just not fair for healthy people to pay for the health care of fat people.

I agree. I take my arse over to the Bowflex and put my arse on the mountain bike, and I take my arse out on the runs to keep the girth off, AND I pay for the health care of lazy people. Yeah, there are some that have conditions that they can't help, but they are the minority.
You know how many times I have been to the doctor? Once, for shin splints, in my entire 37 years of existence.

Glad the heavy kid's situation is at least attempting to be worked out, social services should be the most absolutiest last resort, if ever...

 

[QC]

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My opinion could change with more info Richard. I think I am concerned more with the general concept than the specific incident. As you describe, I probably react differently. I still feel though, these are very tough lines to draw . . . If she cleaned a little bit would she make it under the line, or if she made a better impression? Think of the mother who makes a terrible impression, but reads to her kids every night and has them ready for school, but one of them has a genetic issue that causes uncontrolled weight gain . . . The whole thing of taking away kids makes me nervous.

 

[QC]

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Jason,

You certainly cannot be in favor of National Healthcare then . . . Great!!

 

[tommays]

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http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-lihous245106910feb24,0,3293050.story

A Suffolk County judge stripped a woman of custody of her children Friday, two days after authorities discovered that her home in Lindenhurst was littered with feces, garbage and bottles of urine.


i guess they should have just let the children live like that


But at least i think we will agree on this one

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--15poundboy0220feb20,0,7832306.story

A woman was sentenced to 15 years in state prison for starving her 5-year-old handicapped son, who was found sitting in a playpen infested with cockroaches and lice, wearing a diaper full of his own waste

But she blamed others, didn't take responsibility for the boy's condition and hid her son during frequent visits by social workers, the judge said in refusing a defense request for a five-year sentence.

How do we really know he was starveing maybe he was just dirty ?

i could post hundreds here

Tommays

 

[RPJS]

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My opinion could change with more info Richard.

I spent an age tonight trying to find the video footage but I don't think it's been put on the WWW yet, as soon as it is I will post it, you will be shocked.

 

[JasonJ]

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Jason,

You certainly cannot be in favor of National Healthcare then . . . Great!!

No, I'm not. I'm not for socialism in general, despite what impressions may or may not have been given. I just don't always get my point across too well. Anyways, I earn whats mine, someone else can earn for themselves...

 

[QC]

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tommays,

Please don't misunderstand my point. I have a seething detestation for child abuse, and generally save words like that for horrible behavior like violence against children :| I also don't trust the government to tell me what it is and what it isn't. That's all. I could also find many cases where social workers have allowed behavior like you describe and others where they have been overzealous on borderline cases. I am very concerned about the practice of ripping children out of an adopted family to be placed back with birth parents that the child doesn't even know. That type of trauma has me concerned too which is one reason I am reluctant to rush to judgement about who should and shouldn't be removed for their home.

 

[crunch]

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Unfortunately, the whole justification for “protective child service” is to take children away from their “custodian”... that’s what they do, that is what their budget is geared around.... the budget is directly linked to the number of “interventions” they are related to each year.

That is just doing the job.... nothing personal..... it’s just a job.

Don’t get me wrong, some really feel for the kids, but the bureaucracy, the system has no feelings at all.

 

[Dunaruna]

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