Parking the SUVs

[QC]

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Here's a great study from 2007 if you guys have the patience to go through it. VERY detailed. Toward the last few pages there is a good chart on World diesel and gasoline prices for comparison. 2007 Data. KB's numbers are probably in liters . . . But I'd have to see it. Link? I believe China and Russia both stopped subsidies recently . . .

Back at you Jay I used to post this type of stuff a lot before the rules changed here and before you were around. I sell Natural Gas fuel systems for Heavy trucks, so fuel price differentials make the economic case for our stuff . . .

 

[thefairlaneman]

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Heard something interesting this AM. The price of crude has gone up 319% in USD since 2000, but has only gone up 92% in Euros.

Being that oil is a world traded commodity, that just shows what's happened to our beloved dollar. Not only has crude gone up, the dollar is just not as valuable as it was.

GEZ NO? REALLY? HOW COULD THAT HAPPIN? GEZ NO! REALLY!?

 

[SgtMaj]

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I'll be parking my SUV this summer and telecommuting. Looking forward to that... $75 to fill up this week... ONE TANK!!!

I'm also going to look into reprogramming my OBD2 to lean out the mix so I can use more E85... right now I only put about 7 gallons per tank, then top off with 87octane, but if I lean out the mix I should be able to fully top off with E85, which is almost 60 cents cheaper right now.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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As most of the oldtimers know i have made many violte post's on big oil, although not well founded i do know the nature of the business. My father was a Texaco rep for many years and i have as a child heard thing's that are just not right.

When oil pushes 125.00 a barrel some funny thing's are going to happen. I will post the impending legislation tommorrow.......If your fifty or older....a way of american life has come to a end. Doom and gloom maybe...but our children will never now how much freedom America had to offer.........We led the world...chit we died for the world if your old enough to know history

Stay Tuned.

 

[SgtMaj]

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As most of the oldtimers know i have made many violte post's on big oil, although not well founded i do know the nature of the business. My father was a Texaco rep for many years and i have as a child heard thing's that are just not right.

When oil pushes 125.00 a barrel some funny thing's are going to happen. I will post the impending legislation tommorrow.......If your fifty or older....a way of american life has come to a end. Doom and gloom maybe...but our children will never now how much freedom America had to offer.........We led the world...chit we died for the world if your old enough to know history

Stay Tuned.

I don't understand how opening up the 10-02 area of ANWR for oil pumping is eroding our freedoms... I fail to make the connection.

I personally think we should open up OCS for drilling, too.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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I don't understand how opening up the 10-02 area of ANWR for oil pumping is eroding our freedoms... I fail to make the connection.

I personally think we should open up OCS for drilling, too.

Well first off this has been a known feild for 30 yr,s and never tapped and there are two more feild's they are not even speaking of.


http://www.anwr.org/Headlines/ANWR-to-be-opened-by-$125-per-barrel.php

Opening this feild will not lower oil......actually sustain the current price levels...you see they have a vision.


Similar to many previous ANWR bills the new bill limits the development footprint within the 10-02 Area to 2000 acres, and mandates the use of the “best developmental technology available”. The legislation further states that half of the first $3.5 billion of lease sale royalties be used to fund development of alternative “green” energies as set up by the Energy Policy Act of 2005 and the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. The other half of the lease sale royalties would go to LIHEAP or Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, and the Women’s Infants and Children’s Nutrition program. The Office of Management and Budget states that it’s estimate for Federal tax revenues from oil production in the 10-02 to be between $152 to $237.5 billion. Murkowski & Steven’s new bill would order these production tax revenues to be divided in the same fashion as the lease sale royalty monies. This would cover LIHEAP, Children’s Nutrition and alternative energy development with tens of billions of dollars for over 30 years. ANWR oil is unique among energy sources as its development costs the American tax payer nothing and will contribute hundreds of billions of dollars to Federal coffers, something no other energy source does.


Read into it what you will....but the elite in this country have had a unspoken agend for years.


By the way very intuitive the Maj.....
Just a opinion, your milage will vary..

 

[SgtMaj]

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Read into it what you will....but the elite in this country have had a unspoken agend for years.

Clearly, and this bill, if passed (and I'm sure it will pass quietly, without much media attention), will only serve to push oil prices up to $125/barrel much faster.

... and I think I know what you meant about eroding freedoms now. Gone are the days when a normal middle-class family could take a vacation and drive cross-country to see this great land of ours.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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I think the Blo Ho has made yet another transformation. Now he rejoices in supporting Big Oil One of these days we're gonna wake up and he will have transformed from Bro to Ho . . .

I support GUBMINT OIL paying for GUBMINT CHEESE.......
Of course BIG OIL will get it's BIG PROFIT anyway, no matter what .....
I have resigned myself to the fact that the price of gas will never be substantially lower ever again.......
My new motto is: burn, baby, burn.............
I will still take the boat to Warrenton, Sekiu & the San Juans this summer price be damxed.....
When I am too old to boat, I won't give a shiite what fuel costs.......

 

[gonefishie]

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I wonder what old William Seward is doing in his grave. Is he dancing or is he pissed? His folly turned out to be possibly the greatest investment ever made in the world. Not only it yielded fur, forestry, fishery, and mining. Now a ginormous amount of the most sought after commodity in the world that can't be touch.

 

[mscher]

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Well first off this has been a known feild for 30 yr,s and never tapped and there are two more feild's they are not even speaking of.


http://www.anwr.org/Headlines/ANWR-to-be-opened-by-$125-per-barrel.php

Opening this feild will not lower oil......actually sustain the current price levels...you see they have a vision.


Similar to many previous ANWR bills the new bill limits the development footprint within the 10-02 Area to 2000 acres, and mandates the use of the ?best developmental technology available?. The legislation further states that half of the first $3.5 billion of lease sale royalties be used to fund development of alternative ?green? energies as set up by the Energy Policy Act of 2005 and the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. The other half of the lease sale royalties would go to LIHEAP or Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, and the Women?s Infants and Children?s Nutrition program. The Office of Management and Budget states that it?s estimate for Federal tax revenues from oil production in the 10-02 to be between $152 to $237.5 billion. Murkowski & Steven?s new bill would order these production tax revenues to be divided in the same fashion as the lease sale royalty monies. This would cover LIHEAP, Children?s Nutrition and alternative energy development with tens of billions of dollars for over 30 years. ANWR oil is unique among energy sources as its development costs the American tax payer nothing and will contribute hundreds of billions of dollars to Federal coffers, something no other energy source does.


Read into it what you will....but the elite in this country have had a unspoken agend for years.


By the way very intuitive the Maj.....
Just a opinion, your milage will vary..

This deal smells a lot more like pork, than it does oil.

Pushed by Alaskan politicos. Promise to take care of poor women and children. Only going to tear up 2000 acres. Helping out the greens. Hmmmm. Probably going to need a piplene too.

Will this really lower gas prices? Finding a way to lower demand (other than a recession) is probably the only way oil prices will be lowered.

 

[POINTER94]

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Tough to bite tongue on this one.

It's a kinder gentle-er me........

 

[SgtMaj]

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This deal smells a lot more like pork, than it does oil.

Pushed by Alaskan politicos. Promise to take care of poor women and children. Only going to tear up 2000 acres. Helping out the greens. Hmmmm. Probably going to need a piplene too.

Will this really lower gas prices? Finding a way to lower demand (other than a recession) is probably the only way oil prices will be lowered.

There's not really anything worth preserving in those 2000 acres... it's pretty much a big pile of rocks. Also, yeah, there's a lot of oil in that field, so it will help for a long time. Is it as much as in the OCS? Not even close, but no one seems to want to drill the OCS. Either way, it's a good investment to open up ANWR, and should have been done years ago, but not with legislation that will only serve to push oil prices higher in the meantime.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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http://www.anwr.org/Background/Do-people-visit-the-Arctic-National-Wildlife-Refuge.php


The answer?: Not many. For most of the year, ANWR is unbearably cold and dark. For several weeks, the sun doesn't even rise and leaves the windswept landscape a very inhospitable environment. Only a few hundred people visit ANWR each year.

Recreational groups average eight people and spend an average of 10 days in the refuge.
The Sierra Club conducts 6-10 activists group training trips every year to ANWR. These tours make up a major portion of the commercial visitors to the Coastal Plain. Costing $3,000 to $4,000 per person.


Just a hint to the eliete.....Ask yourself a simple question.....If you were not married and had come from a family from unlimited wealth......might you get a bit crazy and go on such a trip....proclaiming such beauty and magnificance and splendor then beg your wealthy father to use his influence.... Or would take your famliy to such a barren and desolate place???


http://www.anwr.org/Background/Political-History-of-the-Arctic-Refuge.php


ANWR - IMPORTANT DATES
1988 House Merchant Marine & Fisheries Committee� approves an open ANWR Bill
Early 1989 House Merchant Marine & Fisheries Committee again approves an ANWR Bill
1991 Congress debates National Energy Policy Act, Title 9 of which allowed for development of the Coastal Plain.
Nov. 1991 Senate Roll-call vote on Sen. Wellstone amendment to cut off debate on ANWR, 50 to 44. (60 votes needed to defeat filibuster)
1995 ANWR resurrected as part of the Balanced Budget Bill.
May 24, 1995 Senator Roth amendment to table ANWR from the Budget Resolution defeated 56 to 44 votes
Sept., 1995 President Clinton tried to create a National Monument of ANWR under the Antiquities Act- this was prevented
Sept. 19, 1995 Cong. Vento motion to strike ANWR form the Budget reconciliation bill in the House Resources Committee, defeated 27 to 14
Oct. , 1995 House vote on Budget Reconciliation plan including ANWR passed 227-203 votes.
Oct. 25, 1995 Sen. Bumpers asset sale amendment (which would drop ANWR from the Reconciliation bill), defeated
Oct. 26, 1995 Sen. Baucus anti-ANWR amendment defeated 51 to 48 votes.
Dec. 6, 1995 President Clinton vetoed the Balanced Budget Act which it included a provision to open ANWR.
May 24, 1996 Sen. Bumpers again tried an asset sale amendment on the floor of the Senate as a way of killing ANWR. The first amendment was modified and defeated 98 to 0, but a second attempt aimed directly at ANWT was defeated 52 to 46
June 13, 2001 A motion to limit the funds for activities related to oil and gas exploration in ANWR, brought up by Rep. Obey was rejected in the House Committee on Appropriations by a vote of 38 to 21
July 17, 2001 House Committee on Resources votes 30 to 19 against an Amendment to strike ANWR provision from Energy Security Act.
July 17, 2001 House Committee on Resources passes Energy Security Act with a vote of 26 to 17.
Aug. 1, 2001 Rep. Markey's amendment to strike ANWR from HR 4 is defeated by a vote of 223 to 206
Aug. 2, 2001 HR-4 is passed through the house with a vote 240 to 189
Sept. 11, 2001 America is attacked by terrorists, the worst terrorist attack in history of the United States.
April 2, 2003 House Committee on Resources votes 27-17 against an Amendment to strike the ANWR provision from the Energy Bill.
April 10, 2003 Rep. Markey�s amendment to strike ANWR from HR 6 is defeated by a vote of 228 to 197
April 11, 2003 HR 6 is passed through the house with a vote of 247 to 175
March 15, 2005 United States Senate Sen. Maria Cantwell's (D-WA) amendment to strike the ANWR provision [Section 201(a)(4)] from the Budget Resolution is defeated 51-49
April 13, 2005 House Committee on Resources votes 30 to 13 against an Amendment to strike the ANWR provision from HR 6
April 21, 2005 Rep. Markey�s amendment to strike ANWR from HR 6 on the house floor is defeated by a vote of 231 to 200
04/05


I could post volumes on this subject, and someday i will complie it all. But for now i will say this, The reason no drilling has been allowed on American soil is due to the fact we will know the actual cost's of production vs the yeild. The true wealth will be disclosed. Ive noticed the talk about the redistrubiton of wealth in this country.........look closely we are about to enter the end of the middle class and .. Im out but everyone need's to very close attention and kick your state rep right in the sweet spot........This is far more serious than you think..


Is it real: http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis-ch17.html

 

[SgtMaj]

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I could post volumes on this subject, and someday i will complie it all. But for now i will say this, The reason no drilling has been allowed on American soil is due to the fact we will know the actual cost's of production vs the yeild. The true wealth will be disclosed. Ive noticed the talk about the redistrubiton of wealth in this country.........look closely we are about to enter the end of the middle class and .. Im out but everyone need's to very close attention and kick your state rep right in the sweet spot........This is far more serious than you think..

Nah, we'll have a french revolution before too terribly long. The average time spent in prison per murder in this country is only 8 days... it's not going to take too long for someone to think it's worth that to wipe out a few oil execs, etc. When that happens, the rest will drop prices real fast in an effort to look like they are good people and not the ones to kill.

On the other hand, even if some crazy person doesn't solve our problems that way, the rest of us also might decide to redistribute their wealth in other ways... such as by suing with a class action suit for overcharging or something. Similar to the way the states nailed tobacco... it won't really bring down the prices, but it would eventually be about the same thing. I happen to like this idea myself, so much so, that I might just put a bug in someone's ear to consider it. Of course, that will make some very rich lawyer somewhere. What is 1/3rd of 40 billion (Exxon's 1 year profit)?

 

[mscher]

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http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis-ch17.html[/url]

If it's on the Internet, it must be true. This same site also states that the moon landings were fake and that an organization headed by the Pope, started the Vietnam war.

Redistribution of wealth in the U.S. ? No thanks. I'll make my own money. I don't need to take it from someone else, whether I percieve they "deserve" it, or not.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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If it's on the Internet, it must be true. This same site also states that the moon landings were fake and that an organization headed by the Pope, started the Vietnam war.

Redistribution of wealth in the U.S. ? No thanks. I'll make my own money. I don't need to take it from someone else, whether I percieve they "deserve" it, or not.

Well said...but the old man is not lying...it exist's

But for the sake fo argument here's a oil feild that is 1000 miles long and 1000 miles wide and has been know since 1975

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=843988

Ill post some links in the next few day's...in northern Iraq there is a feild which is larger than the Saudis...ever wonder why it's so quite up there..and our latest hostilities in Iraq are finally closing in on the the known oil feild's there.....damm were a gullible society...

And yes i agree..Perception is a very powerful tool...perhap's the most powerful tool the world HAS EVER KNOWN...opp's

http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/bakken-oil-production/613

 

[treedancer]

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Tough to bite tongue on this one.

It's a kinder gentle-er me........

yea your right on that one Pointer,by the way east of the Mississippi?

 

[treedancer]

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Get over it folks and take up the hobby of hiking, your health will love you for it. (Note to Kevin, we managed to stall the selling of? Our National Park land?.)Now lets hear it for the new I-boats site??I-hike.

 

[mscher]

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Well said...but the old man is not lying...it exist's

But for the sake fo argument here's a oil feild that is 1000 miles long and 1000 miles wide and has been know since 1975

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=843988

Ill post some links in the next few day's...in northern Iraq there is a feild which is larger than the Saudis...ever wonder why it's so quite up there..and our latest hostilities in Iraq are finally closing in on the the known oil feild's there.....damm were a gullible society...

And yes i agree..Perception is a very powerful tool...perhap's the most powerful tool the world HAS EVER KNOWN...opp's

http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/bakken-oil-production/613

That Marketwatch story sound's a lot more like snake oil, than crude oil, IMO.
Promote these great stories to suck in investors.

That area has been already been drilled extensively, since the early 80's energy problems. Many of the wells were capped when prices dropped in the late 80's, but are probably pumping now.

The USGS reports that they are pumping as much as 26 million bbls/year from that area since 2006.

If the wells average 180 barrels/day, it's harder to compete with wells that produce 1500+ bbls/day. Maybe it's more a matter of business economics than conspiracy.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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That Marketwatch story sound's a lot more like snake oil, than crude oil, IMO.
Promote these great stories to suck in investors.

That area has been already been drilled extensively, since the early 80's energy problems. Many of the wells were capped when prices dropped in the late 80's, but are probably pumping now.

The USGS reports that they are pumping as much as 26 million bbls/year from that area since 2006.

If the wells average 180 barrels/day, it's harder to compete with wells that produce 1500+ bbls/day. Maybe it's more a matter of business economics than conspiracy.

Ok get back in touch...we are importing oil now from the very same tar sands in canada.. It seems there doing a tremendous job with it i guess the research you are eluding to wasnt to well founded... Canada is outpacing the arab's...in oil production


http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ons/company_level_imports/current/import.html