Partially Submerged 4.3 Mercruiser - Forgot to hook up lower water pump hose

nateccnn

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I winterized my 1997 Bayliner Capri last year by removing the four plugs on the block and exhaust manifolds and removing the hoses from the thermostat housing and the lower water pump hose. I was always diligent about placing the hose clamps on the top of the intake manifold so that in the spring I remember to hook all those hoses back up before the first trip. Well...for some reason I left the lower water pump hose clamp on the hose...and subsequently missed hooking that hose back up.

Went to lake and launched the boat. It started up fine. I know I should have watched the engine run since it was first trip...shame on me. Rather than do the smart thing, I sent my 15 year old son out to the middle of the lake while I parked the truck and trailer. All the while it is pumping water into the bilge of the boat since the lower water pump hose was disconnected. My assumption is that the sea pump pumped water into the thermostat housing and water went from there to the lower pump hose and out into the bilge. If this is correct I also assume no water was circulating in the block.

The boat ran for approximately half to 3/4 hour this way before my son realized the back of the boat was full of water. He then returned to the boat dock. Motor was running at that point but the water was up to the alternator...probably close to the valve covers but I did not think to pay close enough attention to confirm that. There was over a foot of water over the floor board.

We shut it down and began pumping water out through the bilge pump (which is not on demand...have to flip a switch). To speed things up I also bailed water and may have spilled some on top of the motor in my haste.

Once water was removed from bilge the engine did not want to start. I stripped all electrical connections and sprayed with WD40 (all I had on board at the time) to include distributor cap, main wiring harness, alternator...everything I could find inside that engine compartment. After letting it bake in the sun for a bit I put all connections back together and crankled it over. It took several cranks but it finally started. I then took the boat for a quick run around the lake to heat it up. It ran great for a while but after about 15 minutes it began to get sluggish and lost a lot of power...could not even get up on a plane. I shut it down and looked inside the engine compartment and found milky oil all over the top of the engine. I then pushed the boat back to shore and loaded it on the trailer.

Mechanic has it now. He found a small crack in the lifter valley. At first he was going to replace the intake manifold gasket and call it good until I told him it ran for several minutes with no water circulating. He then decided to inspect the block and head. Insurance said they would cover this disaster but now the mechanic is concerned that when they find out it has crack in the lifter valley they will say it was a freeze situation due to not winterizing.

What do you think? Is it posible to get crack in the lifter valley from over heating or is it most definitely a freeze situation that would have been a problem even if I had remembered to connect that lower pump hose? Mechanic is p[lannig to put a rebuilt short block in and a new starter...estimate about $7,500. Boat is maybe worth 8 grand when it is running. I'll probably trade it in on a newer boat next year. None of that matters right now. I just want to get back on the water. Would be nice if insurance covers it...sigh...

Thanks for in put...Nate
 

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welcome aboard.

that definitely sucks.

if your handy, you can get reman motors for much less and swap it yourself. http://www.michiganmotorz.com/vortec-marine-engine-silver-package-19872014-replacement-p-158.html

Definitely cheaper. Wonder what freight costs. Freight for core also? I definitely have the know how and facilitates to do an engine swap (used to be ASE Auto Mechanic so have tools) but no time as I have a business that needs my attention now. Cost of having a life I suppose.

Nate
 

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Definitely cheaper. Wonder what freight costs. Freight for core also? I definitely have the know how and facilitates to do an engine swap (used to be ASE Auto Mechanic so have tools) but no time as I have a business that needs my attention now. Cost of having a life I suppose.

Nate

Ayuh,.... Welcome Aboard,.... With a cracked block, there is no core, it's scrapped locally,.... Did ya use a screw or nail, 'n poke, 'n prod the holes ya took those 4 drain plugs outa,..?? Did Alota water drain out,..??
 
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nateccnn

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About the same amount of water came out last year as each of the preceding 16 years. The one difference though...I have always kept the boat garaged. Due to divorce, last winter the boat got to sit in a friends back yard. It's back in a garage now though. I suppose there's a chance it had a bit of water left in it and it froze. What I really want to know is what are the chances this type of crack (in the lifter valley) could be caused from over heating or running with oil/water mixture as long as I did?
 

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..estimate about $7,500. Boat is maybe worth 8 grand when it is running. I'll probably trade it in on a newer boat next year. None of that matters right now. I just want to get back on the water. Would be nice if insurance covers it...sigh...

Thanks for in put...Nate

Insurance won't repair that boat, they will total it out instantly if a new engine is estimated at $7500... Make sure the mechanic hasn't ordered the shortblock already!
 

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I was smart enough to insure it for a higher value than what it would be worth years later. Insurance will indeed cover this repair if it is not determined to be a failure of maintenance issue. Hint for those who insure their boats...pick a value that you think would replace the boat with a current year model and insure it for that fixed amo0unt. No depreciation to factor in when you do it that way. You have plenty of policy value to cover repairs when needed. It costs a little more but worth it when you love your boat. Back to the question...is freezing the only way this crack could have materialized?
 

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Definitely cheaper. Wonder what freight costs. Freight for core also? I definitely have the know how and facilitates to do an engine swap (used to be ASE Auto Mechanic so have tools) but no time as I have a business that needs my attention now. Cost of having a life I suppose. Nate
You have the tools. Just buy a 12 pack, roll up the sleeves and pull the motor. 1 hour to pull out. 2 hours cleaning the bilge. Installation reverse of removal. Add 30 minutes to align. May need to rent a cherry picker I'd you don't have one
 

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I actually have a 5 ton Gorbel bridge crane in my shop...cherry pickers are for amateurs. Nonetheless...I am not going to swap the motor myself. Could I do it? Should I do it? Would I do it? Completely irrelevant since I am not going to do it. I have adequate insurance in place and a local mechanic who wants to do it. Only question is will insurance cover it if it is proven to be caused by my lack of proper maintenance. Hence the question...could a crack in the lifter valley be caused by something other than freezing?

If at a later date I find out that insurance refuses to cover the repair then I might explore the option of doing the swap myself.

Nate
 
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I just did a Google search (gm 4.3 lifter valley cause) and got several hits. The first on the list was a pdf from Jasper about the issue, though they don't give a cause. Other posts indicate it could be from freeze damage.
Unfortunately, I think it will probably come down to a did so/did not contest with the insurance company. Your chances may be better if you have some kind of proof that it was winterized like recipts or photos.
 

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I actually have a 5 ton Gorbel bridge crane in my shop...cherry pickers are for amateurs. Nonetheless...I am not going to swap the motor myself. Could I do it? Should I do it? Would I do it? Completely irrelevant since I am not going to do it. I have adequate insurance in place and a local mechanic who wants to do it. Only question is will insurance cover it if it is proven to be caused by my lack of proper maintenance. Hence the question...could a crack in the lifter valley be caused by something other than freezing?

If at a later date I find out that insurance refuses to cover the repair then I might explore the option of doing the swap myself.

Nate

Ayuh,.... Probably not,.....
 

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So...what you're saying is...there IS a chance! -- said in a Jim Carey, Dumb and Dumber character voice

Ayuh,..... In my Best James Bond voice,.....

Never,.. say Never,.....
 

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OK...this has been an interesting discussion. Feel free to carry on for reference value. However...insurance adjuster just called me and said he will be depositing a check in my account on Monday. 15% depreciation based on value of a new long block. I'm OK with that. He basically said the same thing Bondo alluded to...probably not -- but never say never. He says he'd be hard pressed to prove it was frozen and I did show evidence that A. It was winterized...B. I did oil change this spring and no water was found in the oil (my word against his, but it is the truth and he believed me) and C. Long time customer paid a bunch of money in annual premiums and never gave them a bad time. He did tell me to look into purchasing a remanufactured short block and doing the install myself. I told him I already had that conversation on a boating forum. He laughed.
 
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