pelosi and her thoughts.....scary

[treedancer]

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Quote Pointer94


What might you call them? Right now you can call them liberals. Those who engage in this activity are disgusting. Please support our troops tree, they deserve it.

<< Please support our troops tree>>

In your opinion my not standing by and cheering, while this incompetent administration bungles along, I?m not supporting the troops? That?s a bunch of BS, and you know it, im for finishing the job that we have started, but it is my opinion that it was started on fabricated evidence, for whatever reason/agenda I don?t know. I believe that the best way too support our troops is to get the group of incompetents out of office that got them in a war that we should not been in the first place. You going about eluding the party line that if anybody that doesn?t agree with Rove and company is a Communist, so be it, I must be in good company because it looks like about seventy per cent of the country agrees the same way.

This administration is supporting the troops by extending there tour by threes months, wow some support, can you imagine what a sinking feeling it is to be in the field counting the days/even minutes, and the next day find that you have been extended I can tell you what a sinking feeling it is too be counting the days and wake up and find that you have had ninety more day added to your tour, wow some support considering this is your second tour.

And you support the administration that can do this too disabled Vets?

<< Indeed, Department of Defense data examined by U.S. News and military experts show that the vast majority-nearly 93 percent-of disabled troops are receiving low ratings, and more have been graded similarly in recent years. What's more, ground troops, who suffer the most combat injuries from the ubiquitous roadside bombs, have received the lowest ratings.>>Ya tell Sergeant Fred Ball how much this administration supports them .


I wonder if Sergeant Ball would be labeled a Communist, if he came on here after he got his addled mind under control, and disagreed with this administrations handling the war, just a thought.



http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/070408/16va.htm

 

[Plainsman]

Re: pelosi and her thoughts.....scary

Quote tree: "This administration is supporting the troops by extending there tour by threes months, wow some support, can you imagine what a sinking feeling it is to be in the field counting the days/even minutes, and the next day find that you have been extended I can tell you what a sinking feeling it is too be counting the days and wake up and find that you have had ninety more day added to your tour, wow some support considering this is your second tour." /quote

It is my understanding that this is being done because the supplemental bill has not passed.

Am I wrong?

 

[BoatBuoy]

Re: pelosi and her thoughts.....scary

It is my understanding that this is being done because the supplemental bill has not passed.

Am I wrong?

I don't think you're even close. Do your research, and not on those solder of fortune websites.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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I don't think you're even close. Do your research, and not on those solder of fortune websites.

Hate to agree with BB, (and I don't agree with his tone), but the reason for the extention is: our military is too small, after the cuts under the Clinton Administration; Eric. Now that the War against Radical Islam has heated up since 9/11, we clearly need a larger standing Army. Trouble is with most of the Democrats undercutting our forces and attempting to force a defeat down our throats, is: that may be hard to do. Who would want to serve to protect us knowing how many Americans voted for John F Kerry? They also gave Congress to Harry Ried, n' Ms. Pelosi, (who the Iranians want to meet with now). It is a real problem. I guess we just need to surrender, we sure don't want to tackle anyone as tough as the Persians, if we can't stay on point long enough to defeat Iraq, without attempting to humiliate the USA and her military for political gain!! Respectfully, JR

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070413171900.9mgyitu3&show_article=1

Anyone ponder why our ENEMIES luv DEMOCRATS? Guess not, (other then Cornservatives).

 

[ob]

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What she did say while she hooked pinkies with her fellow female activists,that you can surf the net for documentation of till your fingers are blistered,unless you heard it for yourself on C-Span, was that "I am now the most powerfull person in Washington." IMO it was an unethical comment and a disservice to the office she represents.She is kinda scary in a sickening sort of way.It is clear by her own comments and demeanor that she is a power hungry status monger.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: pelosi and her thoughts.....scary

Tree,

Again you point to our troops treating terrorist prisoneers in a manner unbefitting of their position as terrorists in your above posts. You fail to make strong condemnations of people who call our troops terrorists, and nazi's, and compare them to Stalin. Those within our own government. I have yet to see you point out a victory in anyway or an improvement achieved by our troops. I remember your post about how wonderful the hospitals in your area under the VA were, while discussing national healthcare, only to have story after story after story point out the lack of services and adequate facilities available. I hear some adhering to a cowards retreat and how we should "run away" and render useless and forgotten the sacrifices made by our forces. I continue to hear whacko comparisons to Vietnam, I hear moral lowering stories day after day after day. You have done what to raise troop moral? What posts can you point to, authored by you, to assist in raising moral. Yet, the troops continue to do their best, and moral is high. Reinlistment rates in war time, can you imagine it? I hear from you how we need to provide POW's with more rights and benefit of the doubt than you afford those fighting in your name.

If you want to bash President Bush, go nuts. You won't hear me questioning a change in strategy. If you want to drag his name threw the mud to effect victory, you won't hear rebuttal from me. But when you use the enemy as a benchmark for what we need to be doing, you will continue to see me question your tactics/motives. When you describe calling our troops nazi's as a "little extreme" you are underminding not only our troops but our country. When people try to describe our troops as "invaders" or that we are doing this for capitalistic gain and you allow them to go unchecked, you undermine our troops. When the likes of a Cindy Sheehan are given more air time in the MSM than the real hero's, I question motivations. Do you? When the President outlines 10 reasons for invading Iraq, and you conveniently forget to mention 9 of them, you undermine our troops mission. And thereby the troops. When you miopicly look for a reason to bash our decision to invade, while ignoring the facts and provide anyone who you oppose politically on our home soil with the label liar, you are underminding our troops. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS IN PRESIDENTS BUSH'S HEART AND MIND. You could label him a lot of different ways, but seemingly always take the low road, thus marginalizing the mission of the troops. When every unsubstantiated story about our troops doing something some liberal is offended by gets published, I don't post and spread it all over the internet. Some do. I question their motives and genuine support of the troops.

Paying your taxes doesn't mean you support the troops. I pay taxes and I don't support state funded abortions. Supporting our troops should run a little deeper than a slogan.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote Plainsman


It is my understanding that this is being done because the supplemental bill has not passed.

Am I wrong?
In both the House and Senate, Democrats have attached timelines for withdrawing troops to the bill containing $96 billion in military funding.

He has a bill on his desk containing $96 billion in military funding, he is threatening to veto it because it contains a timetable too withdraw. It has nothing to do with the extension, IMO he should veto it, don?t need to broadcast any timetable.

<< WASHINGTON ? Stretched thin by four years of war, the Army is adding three months to the standard yearlong tour for all active-duty soldiers in Iraqand Afghanistan, an extraordinary step aimed at maintaining the troop buildup in Baghdad.>>

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Apr11/0,4670,IraqUSTroops,00.html

 

[treedancer]

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Quote Pointer94

You fail to make strong condemnations of people who call our troops terrorists, and nazi's, and compare them to Stalin.


And who appointed you the moral authority to be my judge? As for Murtha its between him and the people that voted him in I wouldn?t have used the same words, I believe I could have got my point across without using them terms, but no mater what terms I are anybody would have used , the result would have been the same from the conservative side. Rove and company and his propaganda ministers would have been out spreading the party line. Same Kool-Aid different color.


I remember your post about how wonderful the hospitals in your area under the VA were, only to have story after story after story point out the lack of services and adequate facilities available.

While you were rummaging thru my old post you most likely came across one where I was not speaking very highly about Walter Reed, I wasn?t bad mouthing the VA system at all, as Walter Reed isn?t part of the VA, One is run by the Department of Defense and one is run by the Department of Veterans Affairs. We have one of the best VA hospitals in the country in John Cochran hospital in St.Louis and it is getting a $100 million dollar upgrade, I have had only got the best of care at that hospital.

You have done what to raise troop moral? What posts can you point to, authored by you, to assist in raising moral. Yet, the troops continue to do their best, and moral is high


If I can get the fools that got them into Iraq out of office I?m sure it would improve moral 100 hundred percent. Take my word for it Pointer anybody in country is not looking at Iboats and saying boy theirs old Pointer he sure is a moral booster. Most of them are looking at the calendar every day, marking another one off, some of the shortimers, as we sit here typing are counting the hours. If you are so concerned about moral you sure cant look at a three month extension as real boost for the old moral now can you?


I hear from you how we need to provide POW's with more rights and benefit of the doubt than you afford those fighting in your name.


As president Reagan would say there you go again, ?more rights? just trying to twist things around again aren?t you Pointer?


I don't post and spread it all over the internet. Some do. I question their motives and genuine support of the troops.


O?. anybody here does that???


Paying your taxes doesn't mean you support the troops. I pay taxes and I don't support state funded abortions. Supporting our troops should run a little deeper than a slogan.

HUH??? On the tax thingy.

I don?t know how I could support the troops them any more then I do, when I get time im at the VFW ,which definitely supports them, we have several fund raisers /turkey shoots/bar-bq,s. By the way Pointer I understand that they have raised the age limit for enlistments ,might just luck out and make the cut, give it a try sure they would love too talk to you.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: pelosi and her thoughts.....scary

Quote Tree:

As for Murtha its between him and the people that voted him in I wouldn’t have used the same words

I was speaking about Turbin Durbin, or War Hero Kerry who each likened our troops to Nazi's and Terrorists, respectively. Murtha, just an abscam tainted political hack, with visions inconsistant with victory or the security of the American soldier.

Quote Tree:

Rove and company and his propaganda ministers would have been out spreading the party line. Same Kool-Aid different color.

The problem with this line of reasoning is you can't prove this would have ever occured, crystal ball time I guess. I highly doubt they would be calling our troops nazi's or terrorists, like several liberal pukes. Rove doesn't have the same track record as say War Hero Kerry for you to base this on.

Quote Tree,

I remember your post about how wonderful the hospitals in your area under the VA were, only to have story after story after story point out the lack of services and adequate facilities available.

While you were rummaging thru my old post you most likely came across one where I was not speaking very highly about Walter Reed, I wasn’t bad mouthing the VA system at all, as Walter Reed isn’t part of the VA, One is run by the Department of Defense and one is run by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Please refer to your own quote. I didn't say anything about Walter Reed, but the condemnation with regards to the VA as an entity nationwide. I am sure you had the best of care at your local VA, the problem is, the troops coming home injured are not. Step on up and support the troops Tree. Here's an opporturnity for you to attack your president (and I am sure you can work Rove in there regardless how tenuous the connection) and support the troops. But then you would have to then conceed the point that socialized medicine really isn't such a great deal based on how our soldiers are treated. Or my father if you want to reflect back on that thread. FWIW I didn't refer back to any posts, I was impressed with your post at the time and remembered it.

Quote Tree:

If I can get the fools that got them into Iraq out of office I’m sure it would improve moral 100 hundred percent. Take my word for it Pointer anybody in country is not looking at Iboats and saying boy theirs old Pointer he sure is a moral booster. Most of them are looking at the calendar every day, marking another one off, some of the shortimers, as we sit here typing are counting the hours. If you are so concerned about moral you sure cant look at a three month extension as real boost for the old moral now can you?

Great plan, surrender. Ignore their efforts and sacrifices. Now you are speaking for the troops. I have not heard a great number complaining as vigorously as you are, but I do hear time and time and time and time and time again how the MSM is misrepresenting the conditions in Iraq and their committment to the mission. No soldier I have ever met relish's the concept of combat and war, but they deserve better than to have their efforts belittled and their committment to victory questioned based on the regrettable deployment extensions. But less you forget, this is an all volunteer military. I don't think that most of these people would be crying a river of cocodile tears over the three months extention. I don't think that my supportive posts will matter one iota, but who knows who visits here, someone with a son or daughter over there, a cousin, nephew? Remember pop up target, he was deployed there. Less we forget. Perhaps a PM to him telling him what a fool he is and how he was dupped would be in order? Or not... Perhaps addressing him as a nazi would be colorfull. How about calling him a terrorist? I believe he posted here a couple of times from in country. This is a perfect example of supporting our troops.

Quote Tree from this thread:

I guess that Nazis would be a bit strong, so what would you call these interrogation techniques Pointer?

Hopefully effective. Thats what I would call them. NAZI'S, NEVER!!!!

Quote Tree:

I don’t know how I could support the troops them any more then I do, when I get time im at the VFW ,which definitely supports them, we have several fund raisers /turkey shoots/bar-bq,s. By the way Pointer I understand that they have raised the age limit for enlistments ,might just luck out and make the cut, give it a try sure they would love too talk to you.

Perhaps if you put down your shotgun and BBQ sandwich they could find a little place for you too. FYI, had a fish fry at the VFW just a couple of weeks ago, and a couple of 50 cent tappers. I didn't realize how deep my committment to the troops was. I guess that poor soldier who was spit on by the "protester" at the communist party anti-war rally (the ones the democrats showed up at) should consider that a real pat on the back and a vote of confidence in his efforts.

The left is trying to re-live the 60's. Hatred for the military is more cleverly masked this time around, but every once in a while, someone screws up and leaves the talking points and personalizes their statements. And their true colors come shinning through. Who would have thought that vigorously denouncing someone calling our troops nazi's or terrorists or someone who spits on our soldiers coming home would be so difficult.


Quote Tree:

I don't post and spread it all over the internet. Some do. I question their motives and genuine support of the troops.


O…. anybody here does that???


Quote Tree answering his own question from his own post:

<<In a Senate floor speech Tuesday, Durbin cited an FBI report describing Guantanamo Bay prisoners chained to the floor in the fetal position without food or water and sometimes in extreme temperatures.>>

Call me crazy, but I guess I am missing the support here somewhere. Looks like spreading of negative information about the troops on the internet? I didn't even have to leave the thread to get it. Perhaps I am just reading your posts all wrong, and I hope thats the case. But I try to put aside the politics when the troops are involved and support their every effort. They deserve it in my opinion. I have and will continue to be critical of the administration, but I am always careful to segregate the administration from the troops. I would be cautious about posting quotes or disseminating any information from a man who has called our troops Nazi's. I attack very specifically at our president. He has been a disappointment to me on a number of topics. But lumping our troops into unsubstantiated or unproven reports against their mission, charactor, needs, or trying to use their activities as some kind of lever against political adversaries, and I error on the side of the soldier. Everytime.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote Tree:

Rove and company and his propaganda ministers would have been out spreading the party line. Same Kool-Aid different color.

The problem with this line of reasoning is you can't prove this would have ever occured, crystal ball time I guess. I highly doubt they would be calling our troops nazi's or terrorists, like several liberal pukes. Rove doesn't have the same track record as say War Hero Kerry for you to base this on.
Answer to the above-I guess what it boils down to is your saying that I cant prove anything. Ok your right I can prove anything yet.

<<Please refer to your own quote. I didn't say anything about Walter Reed, but the condemnation with regards to the VA as an entity nationwide. I am sure you had the best of care at your local VA, the problem is, the troops coming home injured are not. Step on up and support the troops Tree. Here's an opporturnity for you to attack your president (and I am sure you can work Rove in there regardless how tenuous the connection) and support the troops. But then you would have to then conceed the point that socialized medicine really isn't such a great deal based on how our soldiers are treated. Or my father if you want to reflect back on that thread. FWIW I didn't refer back to any posts, I was impressed with your post at the time and remembered it.>>


Pointer this is a cut from your post first your telling me to step up and support the troops, next your telling me this is a good opportunity to mount an attack on my President. With a side opportunity too get a Rove.Now were back too supporting the troops again, now were too the point that I should concede the point that socialized medicine really isn?t such a great deal based on how our soldiers are treated. [If you will untangle for me that I will try too respond too it.]

Quote Tree:

I don?t know how I could support the troops them any more then I do, when I get time im at the VFW ,which definitely supports them, we have several fund raisers /turkey shoots/bar-bq,s. By the way Pointer I understand that they have raised the age limit for enlistments, might just luck out and make the cut, give it a try sure they would love too talk to you.

<<Perhaps if you put down your shotgun and BBQ sandwich they could find a little place for you too. FYI, had a fish fry at the VFW just a couple of weeks ago, and a couple of 50 cent tappers. I didn't realize how deep my committment to the troops was. I guess that poor soldier who was spit on by the "protester" at the communist party anti-war rally (the ones the democrats showed up at) should consider that a real pat on the back and a vote of confidence in his efforts.>>
Answer to the above

Perhaps I didn?t make myself clear on the above post, the precedes from the above BBQ, s and turkey shoots, fish fries, go to various local shelters/to help local Vet?s and believe it or not even some families of current troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. We kept one Marines family from loosing his house from a shady contractor.

<<The left is trying to re-live the 60's. Hatred for the military is more cleverly masked this time around, but every once in a while, someone screws up and leaves the talking points and personalizes their statements. And their true colors come shinning through. Who would have thought that vigorously denouncing someone calling our troops nazi's or terrorists or someone who spits on our soldiers coming home would be so difficult.>>
Answer to the above_That pure BS and you know it ,something out of the Carl Rove playbook.


<<In a Senate floor speech Tuesday, Durbin cited an FBI report describing Guantanamo Bay prisoners chained to the floor in the fetal position without food or water and sometimes in extreme temperatures.>>

Quote Pointer

<<Call me crazy, but I guess I am missing the support here somewhere. Looks like spreading of negative information about the troops on the internet? I didn't even have to leave the thread to get it.>>

We can just bury reports that came from the FBI because you don?t think they are supportive of the troops?

 

[POINTER94]

Re: pelosi and her thoughts.....scary

Tree, I am not looking at this from a win / lose perspective. Do what you want. I think that anyone reading the past few posts has more than enough information to come to some conclusion about what supporting our troops really means from your perspective and from mine. And if my posts were as challenging to understand as you portray, I will appear the fool. But that is the risk I am willing to take.

And if any of our troops are looking in, keep up the good work.

 

[treedancer]

Re: pelosi and her thoughts.....scary

What I?m saying is from my perspective, I?m sure it will be seen different from yours.
We have different ways of looking at things, you seem to think that a person should be quite ,and follow the President ,even if you think he is incompetent and a danger to the country.


Also my take is that you think I should look the other way and be quite when the countries laws are trampled on all in the name of showing ?support for the troops?. To me when I hear that statement think it is about as overused as the race card is too law enforcement, nothing but a lame attempt to game someone.

O by the way I?m also PO,d that the Damn Brew Crew just beat the Cards in our own yard, with our former Picture.

 

[ob]

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The real danger to this country is all of the divisiveness and political correctness.Our adversaries prey on it.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: pelosi and her thoughts.....scary

All I can say is I feel optimistic enough that I grabbed two sets of tickets for the Brewers this year. That would be about one more game than I usually go to. They are slow out of the gate, but look to be an exciting team with playoff potential this year. As for stealing your pitcher, its about dam time we got someone from somewhere besides Beloit farm team. (I still haven't figured out these new emotioncons)

 

[treedancer]

Re: pelosi and her thoughts.....scary

They had 43000 at Bush Stadium tonight freezing there axx, off Watching the cards get beat. Supe pitched a pretty good game, even if it was a cold windy day, sure wise we could have kept him.

[FONT=&quot]Your right about the emoticans pretty sorrowful bunch, the imported ones they had here at first were pretty too look at, sure wish they worked. [/FONT]

 

[POINTER94]

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Wow, great crowd. I am looking forward to the season unfolding, but I just can't get energized when there is still snow on the ground.... (grrrrr)