Pennsylvania Trip 2009

FLATHEAD

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Re: Pennsylvania Trip 2009

Flathead, you have no idea of what your talking about. I don't care what you have to say in your defense, and I don't want to hear it. You are just plain wrong regardless of whatever you may think or say. And I'll leave it at that.


Ahh those Jersey beaches. Happens every year,,, yep every year. There is another beach besides the needle ridden one in the video that you cant dig deeper than a foot because of live artillery shells washed up.

Yep I don't have clue as to what I'm talking about :) Watch the video.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/media?id=6348269
 

jay_merrill

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I'll offer the disclaimer that I haven't been to the Jersey shore in about 16 years, but I doubt very much that all of it has turned into a dump since I left the NE. I do agree that Atlantic City is an eyesore - unless you want to spend a week inside of a casino, I would avoid it.

That said, Jersey has a long coastline and is known for some of the best beaches on the eastern seaboard. I think I would listen to the folks that go there frequently for advice.

Northwest Jersey is also beautiful - there is a reason that Jersey is referred to as "the garden state." Most people that travel through Jersey see only what there is to see along the turnpike, but there is much more to it. Most of the state is actually farm land. The NE corner, which borders Penna and NY, is mountainous, with a lot of forested areas.

Philly has lots of things to do. Again, I would defer to the locals for advice because my time there was long ago, and I have forgotten much. I will say that, if you spend time there, ask a local for a place to get a real Philly Cheese Steak - trust me when I tell you that what gets called a "Philly" in other places is a very poor substitution. You can follow that up with a Tastycake pie for desert.

The Philadelphia metro area also has a great commuter train system. You can board one at either Suburban Station or 30th Street Station. I am familiar with the "Paoli Local" (runs the "Main Line along the Lancaster Pike)) mostly, but there are other areas well worth seeing too.

Have a great trip!
 

FLATHEAD

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Well I guess it is all ones opinion against another's. I think If I spend my money to go to a beach I'll stay away from the ones with medical waste washups every year. Like I said I have absolutely no knowledge of this area, its all guess work.

By the way Jay, you might want to read Bassy last post.
 

jay_merrill

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I did read it ... not sure I understand your point. Even if he stays elsewhere for the week, he and his mom might enjoy daytrips to Philly, or maybe an overnight beyond that.
 

FLATHEAD

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Shes not coming this year.

Let me just add it should be just about time for the annual raw sewage scare over there. I'll defintly keep you posted, again just a hunch.
 

jay_merrill

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Just noticed that what I thought was the last post was the 2nd to last. Bassy, if you end up in New Orleans, please feel free to PM me - I'd be happy to tell you a few things to do here.

Flathead, I thought you were doing great until the blanket condemnation of the Jersey Shore. I would of thought that a gentle warning would have been appropriate, but to say that the entire Jersey Shore is a dump, just isn't accurate, or fair to the people who live there.

I just did some surfing and it appears that the medical waste thing has come up again just this week, as it did briefly in 2007. The last time previous to that, I could find was in 1988, 20 years ago. I actually remember that because I lived in the NYC metro area at the time. I can tell you that during that period, I used to take my 4WD on the beach in other places and surf cast for stripers. I never saw a thing on the beaches that even remotely resembled medical waste. I did have a really fun evening once, however, watching a guy fight a 40 pound striper on a small rod with 17 pound line on it. He managed to keep that fish from breaking the line for something over a half an hour, and finally landed it by walking into the surf up to his waist. The only thing he was bummed out about is that, for the first time in their relationship as father and son, his boy didn't come fishing with him that night.

So, three times in the entire history of the Jersey Shore, this has happened in limited areas. The first time (1988), the waste was tracked to a landfill on Staten Island (which was fined $1,000,000), and this time they have serial numbers on the syringes found, which will eventually lead them to the disposal facility involved. I absolutely agree that this situation "inhales," but let's not condemn the entire shoreline of New Jersey over this, in a public forum. Its much like the flak the state got for years because people driving through the state would see the landfill and refineries along the turnpike near Newark/Meadowlands, and think the whole state was like that.

All I am saying is to be fair the the state as a whole, including non-affected beach areas. Besides, if you want to see some truly terrible beaches, come to SE Louisiana! We have Mississippi River mud, not sand. In fact, the closest thing that we have to beaches is the Mississippi coast, to our east .... and their beaches are not natural, they literally truck the sand in from other places!
 

JoeCrow

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I live in Jersey as well, and love our shore
As for the medical waste and live ammo on the beach,
Where's your sense of adventure? :D
 

MikDee

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We don't have that problem here in Pa,,,, Of course we're not on the ocean either, but we do have some nice lakes! :D
 

FLATHEAD

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Jay all I can tell ya is this. I have lived within a two hour drive of the jersey shore all my life. My wifes grandparents had a house in ocean city for years. Visited it many times. I used to laugh to myself when you got close to the Jersey shore and someone would say "AHH smell that ocean air" Funny no other beaches I was ever at had that ocean air like Jersey. It was always more like a stench. I guess you can only go on what you have seen, and so do I. Of course the city and the state will put the old, "Isolated problem" spin on this latest washup. Always do. After all the holiday weekend is almost here. What are they going to say,, That the beach is once again loaded with needles and bloody gauze pads,,? . I guarantee there will be a raw sewage "Isolated incident" next. They have one every year. Just the way I see it is all. Believe me Pa. aint all roses. We have a ton of superfund sites, and we rank real high on pollution in our air and water contamination.
 

jay_merrill

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THe "ocean air" smell that you remember might have been rotting seaweed and peat in the marshlands. When I was a kid, we spent every summer, no matter where we lived at the time, at my grandafther's house in coastal Rhode Island. I have very distinct memories of the last mile of the trip to his house because of this very thing. There was smell that was partly salt laden air, and partly the aroma of seaweed rotting along the shore of the pond that he lived on. It was strong and it has alwys been one of the things that I think of when I remember those very special days during the fifties and sixties. We swam, water skiied, fished, went to the beach on the adjacent ocean shoreline, and generally had a great time. The smell was there, but it had nothing to do with pollution.
 

71Windsor

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Well i live 20 mins from the southern shores of jersey and ill tell you dont go to wildwood to swim unless you bring hiking gear the ocean is un godly far away from the board walk which is over crowded but still fun. A.C. is kinda yes an eye sore but still has a nice board walk (not children friendly though) continue past a.c. and you will reach margate which is nice to costal fishing and crabbing. cape may is just simply buetiful be sure to check out some of the near shore wrecks! and in between you have ocean city which has a much less crowded board walk and very child friendly. and then sea isle which is a great vacation spot! just make sure you allow for plenty of travel time friday and sunday you will need it for certain!
 
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