People who DO NOT need to own a boat

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wikelam

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KT---> this would at least make the boaters aware that there are some rules that should be followed. some do not even have a clue. I witnessed a couple get pulled over by a lake patrol for speeding and skiing in a no wake zone. they did not even know what the wake was, let alone the no wake zone. recieved multiple tickets and alot of fines. just because they had no clue. at least if they would have taken a test they would know about this no wake zone, so at least they would go further out on the lake and cause trouble.
 
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denniz

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It amazes me that someone can do 10 mph in a NO WAKE ZONE and everbody bit-h about it... When people do 50 in a school zone and noone says anything...........Dennis
 
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You're right Nosleep, it is 2009. It's posted at all the boat ramps.
 
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Blindo the Frog

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I cant agree with your "Boating is one of the last Bastions of individual freedom", KT. Individual freedom means doing whatever I want as long as it doesn't interfere with somebody elses right to enjoy THEIR individual freedom. A boat is a potentially lethal weapon and as such, there should be rules governing how you handle it. <br /><br />The kid who got shredded in a swim-zone in the UK at the weekend was done by a guy in a 40' Fairline which he had bought 4 days earlier and was, no doubt, showing it off to his mates. He is now under arrest on suspicion of manslaughter. What sort of individual freedom does he deserve???
 
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Kilgore Trout

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I guess I should clarify myself on individual freedom. Blindo you are right. Individual freedom also holds the responsibility of respect and accountability. <br /><br />It is up to responsible boaters to keep it that way. <br /><br />The next thing you know some petty bureacrat, councilman or other govenment official that is out boating will get his knickers in a knot over somebody's stupidity and write new legistation. We don't need that on open waterways.<br /><br />I like the fact that you don't have to be licensed. There are rules. But how do you get everyone to follow them? Maybe a mandated safe boating class before you are allowed to register a boat? <br /><br />On the speed limit thing: I row in Long Beach. The Area was designed as the rowing course for the 1932 Olympics, and is still one of the best areas for the sport in the country. The whole area is posted 5mph / no wake. <br /><br />Beside the fact that there are small boats such as myself (26 feet LOA, 12 inches beam) there are also long distance swimmers, canoes, kayaks and some pretty nice boats moored at the many slips in the area. Because most of the area is bound in by a seawall, even small wakes reverberate and can cause a lot of damage. There are pretty good reasons for those speed limits.<br /><br />This season alone, the rowing club I belong to has had 12 rowing shells severly damaged by idiots that just don't get it. Even though the speed limit is posted at all launching ramps and on buoys spaced about 200 yards apart.<br /><br />Of course most don't have insurance (which is so cheap around here) and we wind having to sue the ijack-holes. Rowing shells are very expensive. $3000 - $8000 for a one-man shell. Up to $30,000 for an eight-man boat. <br /><br />I sail out of Marina Del Rey. My Sail Boat can handle some pretty rough conditions. But because it his so crowded in Marina Del Rey, people do follow the rules. Even the voluntary ones.
 
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Kilgore Trout

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Glad you like that phrase<br /><br />I guess I should clarify myself on individual freedom. Blindo you are right. Individual freedom also holds the responsibility of respect and accountability. <br /><br />It is up to responsible boaters to keep it that way. <br /><br />The next thing you know some petty bureacrat, councilman or other govenment official that is out boating will get his knickers in a knot over somebody's stupidity and write new legistation. We don't need that on open waterways.<br /><br />I like the fact that you don't have to be licensed. There are rules. But how do you get everyone to follow them? Maybe a mandated safe boating class before you are allowed to register a boat? <br /><br />On the speed limit thing: I row in Long Beach. The Area was designed as the rowing course for the 1932 Olympics, and is still one of the best areas for the sport in the country. The whole area is posted 5mph / no wake. <br /><br />Beside the fact that there are small boats such as myself (26 feet LOA, 12 inches beam) there are also long distance swimmers, canoes, kayaks and some pretty nice boats moored at the many slips in the area. Because most of the area is bound in by a seawall, even small wakes reverberate and can cause a lot of damage. There are pretty good reasons for those speed limits.<br /><br />This season alone, the rowing club I belong to has had 12 rowing shells severly damaged by idiots that just don't get it. Even though the speed limit is posted at all launching ramps and on buoys spaced about 200 yards apart.<br /><br />Of course most don't have insurance (which is so cheap around here) and we wind having to sue the ijack-holes. Rowing shells are very expensive. $3000 - $8000 for a one-man shell. Up to $30,000 for an eight-man boat. <br /><br />I sail out of Marina Del Rey. My Sail Boat can handle some pretty rough conditions. But because it his so crowded in Marina Del Rey, people do follow the rules. Even the voluntary ones.
 
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wikelam

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amidragon--->#3--->yes some older two lever controls will allow this, had one on a 68 sea king.
 
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wikelam

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amidragon---#3---yes some older two lever controls will allow this, had one on a 68 sea king.
 
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Kilgore Trout

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Glad you like that phrase<br /><br />I guess I should clarify myself on individual freedom. Blindo you are right. Individual freedom also holds the responsibility of respect and accountability. <br /><br />It is up to responsible boaters to keep it that way. <br /><br />The next thing you know some petty bureacrat, councilman or other govenment official that is out boating will get his knickers in a knot over somebody's stupidity and write new legistation. We don't need that on open waterways.<br /><br />I like the fact that you don't have to be licensed. There are rules. But how do you get everyone to follow them? Maybe a mandated safe boating class before you are allowed to register a boat? <br /><br />On the speed limit thing: I row in Long Beach. The Area was designed as the rowing course for the 1932 Olympics, and is still one of the best areas for the sport in the country. The whole area is posted 5mph / no wake. <br /><br />Beside the fact that there are small boats such as myself (26 feet LOA, 12 inches beam) there are also long distance swimmers, canoes, kayaks and some pretty nice boats moored at the many slips in the area. Because most of the area is bound in by a seawall, even small wakes reverberate and can cause a lot of damage. There are pretty good reasons for those speed limits.<br /><br />This season alone, the rowing club I belong to has had 12 rowing shells severly damaged by idiots that just don't get it. Even though the speed limit is posted at all launching ramps and on buoys spaced about 200 yards apart.<br /><br />Of course most don't have insurance (which is so cheap around here) and we wind having to sue the ijack-holes. Rowing shells are very expensive. $3000 - $8000 for a one-man shell. Up to $30,000 for an eight-man boat. <br /><br />I sail out of Marina Del Rey. My Sail Boat can handle some pretty rough conditions. But because it his so crowded in Marina Del Rey, people do follow the rules. Even the voluntary ones.
 
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Kilgore Trout

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Boy, how did my last post appear three times?? :confused:
 
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I must be gettin old, :D cause I coulda swore I heard an echo.
 
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Blindo the Frog

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Maybe you were just trying to make sure that you got your point across, KT :) .<br /><br />Seems to me that there are three distinct groups who come into this discussion - the ignorant, the irresponsible and the malicious. The ignorant which may, indeed, include the guys Wikelam was originally referring to in his first post on this topic are not, simply by dint of their ignorance, people who do not need to own a boat. Nevertheless, they DO need some sort of boating Highway Code (not sure if you have this in the States) in order to educate them in the basics of how to protect their property, themselves and, more importantly, other people and their property, whilst in command of a boat. We were all ignorant of various aspects of driving a car at one stage - doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to drive one when we become knowledgeable.<br /><br />Do irresponsible people NOT need to own a boat? I would bet that everyone reading this topic has shown irresponsibility at the wheel of a car at least once in their lives. Chances are, we have all done something irresponsible in our boats, too, either by accident, or for a laugh or any of a thousand other reasons. Rules MAY or MAY NOT have changed the decision we took on those occasions but rules are more likely to make a difference if we CARE. <br /><br />If we are irresponsible but we care, we do not need rules and we don't need policing - we can be relied upon to keep our irresponsibility in check. If we don't care, however, and we are irresponsible then we become malicious and people everywhere need rules and policing to protect them from the malicious. These are TRULY the people who do NOT NEED to own boats.
 
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miloman

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it is true some boater can be real idiots at a tournament a while back there was a no wake zone created for us the signs were 3 x3 feet with boats situated there to advise but some kids in dads speed boat ripped by us all at oh 60 mph I swear they were maybe 4 feet away from another guy fishing nedless to say the police chased them down and Im sure they got a heafty ticket
 
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sergioy

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Blindo - I agree with you in the malicious boater part. I go boating with my family most of the time. Should every one that operates a boat have to be licenced, Heck yes!!! I am all about protecting my family from ediot boaters. When I see anyone cutting-up on the lake, I take my boat as far away as possible. That way my falily is well out of harms way. And you better believe I will not hesitate to report them to the proper authorities when they can be reached. UNfortunately here in KS, that is not very often.<br /><br />I go to the lake alot, and have not seen too many of htese irresposible people out there. But I know that they are there, cause you hear about them on the news all the time.
 
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Hey all, just wanted to add something. Blindo, I don't know which one of the three groups I will be placed in for getting into this discussion but her goes! :D <br /><br />I don't think we need More Laws, we need more enforcement of the laws we already have. I'd rather see more money going to more patrol officers on the water, than more laws printed in a book, that are not always enforced, like some of the ones we already have, because of lack of Manpower. These fee's collected from the honest law abiding citizens and responsible boat owners, for licenses, may be the next thing you end up bi-ching about. You have to be careful about this also. <br /><br />Consider the truth to the saying "When guns are Outlawed ONLY OUTLAWS will have guns." A lot of truth to that. As a cop, I have stopped people that have been driving for 30 years WITHOUT A DRIVER"S LICENSE. NEVER HAD ONE... What are you going to do with them? Suspend the licesne they never had? What a joke. Put them in jail? Again, what a joke, no room in the jail for them. Right now they are considering letting Old men that are serving Life Sentences for MURDER out, and saying "Oh they are to old to cause any harm." WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP, how much strength does it take to squeeze a trigger. How about letting the victim of their crime out of their grave? <br /><br />So when you start saying "Let's make a new law, lets charge for a Boat Driver's license, etc. Don't be surprised when you and honest law abiding tax paying citizens are the only one towing the line, AGAIN, while the other dead beats continue to DRIVE, BOAT, Carry illegal weapons, while your complaining "Hey I paid for my license, why didn't he, why can he get away with it?" I'm paying my share. <br /><br />The answer is, He doesn't CARE, He is a Criminal, or he lives outside the guidelines of the law anyway, reguardles of the consequences. <br /><br />You end up continuing to pay your taxes, and your licenses, and bi-ch while He justs counts on there not being enough patrol officers out there to catch him, and does what he wants. <br /><br />I'm sorry yall, I have enough laws to try to remember, get a Lousiaiana RS statue book and see how many laws are just for theft, theft of dogs, theft of crawfish, theft of identity, the list is long, what ever happened to just saying THEFT, charge him, try him, sentence him and be done with it. We need to quit pus-yfooting around with these non conformant people (living outside of the law) which I believe is the definition of an OUTLAW or CRIMINAL, and enforce the laws we have now, not make new ones for Lawyers to make money on. <br /><br />You ask, would I have a problem with taking a test and getting a license, No I can pass the test and keep up with my license. You ask, "Will this solve the problem of idiots on the water?" "No, the LAW didn't stop the guy from driving for 30 years with no license, and it won't stop a Criminal from carrying a concealed weapon." It will however stop you from carrying one to defend yourself against him." Now, that's a great law huh :rolleyes: :confused: ? :eek: <br /><br />Just my 2 cents from one of GodsBeast's
 
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GodsBeast, new concealed wepons law here in Colo, if you qualify you can carry (with some<br />public buildings being the exception). I wonder<br />how they slipped that one by the tree huggers in Boulder? Couldn't agree with you more.
 
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Thanks for reading Ebb,<br /><br />JPBaker, glad to hear your position. Crime, and Murder goes clear back to when Cain slew Able, and Cain certainly didn't have a gun. I don't know WHAT it will take to make those pushing Gun Control laws, understand that the GUN is not the problem. To quote Alan Ladd in the movie, Shane, "The gun is a tool, no better or worse than the man that uses it." The gun restriction laws only effect those that are abiding by the law! The criminals are already GOING to VIOLATE the law, so by WHAT part of the brain do you think he is worried about violating the Gun Restriction Laws? In fact, it only drives him to violate another law, by breaking into and stealing a Gun, from a Law Abiding Citizen, or buying it on the corner from someone that has stolen one. While you are standing in line, filling out papers, paying taxes, fees, etc.<br /><br />So with that said, applying it to Boat Driver's License,,,,,, I'm almost to the point where I CRINGE, and I feel a sharp pain, when I hear the phrase "We aught to make a Law",,,,,. We are going to LAW ourselves into the Poor house. <br /><br />GodsBeast
 
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