Performance Chip

BiXLL

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Does anybody use these in a gas motor? I have a 96 Dodge Ram, 5.9, 38,000 miles. When I towed my unit back from Tenn. (which I will be doing again) on some of the grades in Virginia, and West Virginia, I had it to the floor, and was topping the hills at 35 and 40 mph. Boat and trailer weigh in at 6,300 lbs.
 

jimr

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Re: Performance Chip

I don't reccommend any type of chip for any vehicle. what percent grade are you going up I know i used to drive tractor trailer and the grades in the east are sometimes alot greater than the ones out west. if you can only do 40 going up hill then so be it just stay outta the left lane
 

LubeDude

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Re: Performance Chip

Dropping your rear axle ratio would be the best way to boost your performance, but there goes your economy when not loaded.
 

ZmOz

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Re: Performance Chip

Computer upgrade are pretty worthless on almost any gas engine. For around $300 you get around 8hp. Definately not worth it. I don't know anything about your engine, but I do know there are ways to get more out of it. Find a Dodge forum and start asking questions.
 

Wingnutt

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Re: Performance Chip

I gotta chime in here. I burn my own chips and can say that you should be able to gain a whole lot more than 8hp with some careful and sometimes tedious work.<br /><br />I have an '88 K5 Blazer than has a 165k miles of a 350 with 3:42 gears and 33" tires, a Holley 670 cfm TBI and a free flowing exhaust. Yea I know that gear and tire combo sucks for towing and acceleration. But I've managed I've managed to knock off just over a second on my 1/4 mile times by careful tuning, not to mention much more torque in the lower rpm range. It's taken me almost six months and testing of over 100 different combinations of igination timing, fuel curves, power enrichment timing and WOT settings, not to mention frying more than a few sets of plugs because of too much timing or to lean of a fuel mixture to get where I am now. Another benifit has been picking up about 2mpg. The only drawbacks that I can see (aside from all that time in front of the computer) is having to run preminum fuel, and having to use a 170 degree thermostat to help control pinging. Not to bad for a 6000lb barn door with horrable gearing.<br /><br />Most commerical chips that don't void the factory warrenty are VERY, VERY conservitive. Usually they simply add a bit more fuel in the mid and upper rpm ranges and advance the timing only the tiniest amount in the safest areas to do so. It adds up to just enough additional power to be able to be felt....safely.<br /><br />Most people who were used to non managed engines are afraid to attempt to modify anything on a newer computer controled vehicle (with good reason). It's an intimadating process to learn and the costs can be high if you really screw things up.<br /><br />But if you invest the time (and a few $$ in equipment) in learning EXACTLY how your particular application works, and more time in making tiny changes, one at a time, and even more time in testing each little change, the results can be quite rewarding.<br /><br />I give the factories a lot of credit for obtaining as much reliable and efficant power that they have, but much more is available if you are willing to gain the knowledge and put a LOT of time in refining the factory code.<br /><br />Now it's pretty difficult to obtain the source codes for newer vehicles, but if you do as ZmOz suggested and find a Dodge forum and start asking questions, you can find out a lot.
 

snapperbait

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Re: Performance Chip

negative on the chip.. Any chip that will give a noticable power increase will require premium fuel...<br /><br /> Money would be better well spent on a good exhaust system (headers and a 3 or 4 inch tube cat back system, and even replacing the factory catyltic converter) and opening up the air intake... Let it breathe..<br /><br />Underdrive pulleys would also help...
 

Wingnutt

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Re: Performance Chip

This is interesting. This is the only mechanical type board that I frequent where the members are opposed to a better chip, and that has my peaked my interest. My I ask for your reasons against a better chip? Especially if you do them yourself. I will admit that the hp gained per $$ spent on a commercially available chip isn’t one of the best investments that you can make, but if you burn them yourself you can develop different chips for different situations such as weather, altitude, poor gas, etc. I will admit that I have a product that allows me to store up to six different “programs” so to speak. To change between them all I have to do is plug my computer in and select a different one. I’m rambeling now, so I’ll just shut up for now. :rolleyes:
 

Link

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Re: Performance Chip

Don't know a thing about "Chips" except I like ruffles with Ridges and oldElpaso Thick N Chunky Salsa :D <br />So I'll check back and mabe learn something. :) <br />One of my friends co-workers uses this product and swears by it.<br /><br /> http://www.gearvendors.com/ <br /><br />If nothing else it is good reading.
 

wvit100

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Re: Performance Chip

I used a 2002 Dodge truck with the small v8 and the tow package in it to pull my boat back from Pittsburg. We went through the mountains in WV and didn't have any trouble. My boat and trailer are around 5500 lbs. It slowed on the hills but not anything like what your talking about.<br /><br />Maybe your geared to high for towing such a load. Was your truck set-up with the tow package?
 

quantumleap

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Re: Performance Chip

BiXLL- Chips such as Jet chips are not very noticable. Power Programmers such as those made by Hypertech are the real deal. I use one on my 01 Dodge 5.9 and it is the best upgrade I've done. The 5.9 dodge motor produces one of the most significant increases in power from the programmer. Closer to 20-25 hp. The 5.9's were factory detuned due to problems with spark knock caused by a bad intake manifold gasket design and it was cheaper to detune the PCM than re-design the intake. The key to the Dodge PCM's are to avoid having a flash done by the dealer to reduce spark knock. It's commonly referred to as the 'Death Flash' and will turn your vehicle into a dog. Check your PCM for any bar-code labels that may state that an upgrade was performed. The dealer may have done it any time it was in for any type of service. Once it's been flashed the dealer can't reverse it but you can override it with the programmers. Remember not to tow in overdrive. Here is the best site for more info on your truck. http://dtw.truckmoxie.com/forums/ :cool:
 

POINTER94

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Re: Performance Chip

I tend to agree with snapperbait,<br /><br />A K&N performance intake, headers and a less restrictive exhaust should boost you at least 8-10% on hp. I would be hesitant to make all these mods for a once a year requirement. Probably looking at $1000 to get these parts if you install yourself.<br /><br />What is an underdrive pulley??????
 

quantumleap

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Re: Performance Chip

You can do all the intake and exhaust mods you want, but without adjusting the air/fuel mix and advancing the timing, the exhaust mods will actually hurt your trucks performance. The factory PCM will not self adjust to take advantage of better airflow. A programmer or a Mopar performance PCM is needed to take advantage of freeing up exhaust flow. Check the site I referred to above to get the most out of your motor. I bet your PCM has been flashed and you need to correct that problem first.
 
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