Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

[SCO]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Seems we ran Gigi off. Come on back gigi. We are all about freedom of speech here. You might need to get a second opinion. What you don't know is that we have debated these issues endlessly in the preceding months, but are always ready for a new convert. I'll take a shot at your chief complaint, that you think freedom of speech is being suppresed and that is in itself unamerican. I'm not going to apply this to Arnett, because it is a special case, and I think you need to listen to the actual tapes of what he said prior to making a judgement, it is unbelievable. My answer to your complaint is this: The protesters are perfectly happy exercising their freedom of speech, but at the same time hypocritically complaining that the resultant uproar, also a freedom of speech, is a suppression of said protesters freedom of speech. Baloney, the protesters are the ones desiring to suppress the freedom of speech of those that disagree.

 

[SCO]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Also, to assert Arnett's statements as independent thought is silly. He is the liberal thought conformance master. There is absolutely nothing independent or objective about his thought. That is why it is so suitable for broadcast on the 100% propaganda 100% of the time Iraqi state run TV. Just my opinion. Reminds me of the assertions of those that have spiked qrange hair. They think of themselves as nonconformists, but are really nonconformist image conformers, and more conformist than the rest of us because they don't even realize they are conforming. See the connection, liberals think they are independent thinkers when in reality they are liberal conformists.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Hot Dang, another DEBATE thingy.<br /><br />You all wait while I look in my rule book for the rules on tradiorism.(is that a word?)<br /> <br /><br />

<br /><br />Ok, I found the chapter on that.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Ok, I got my rule book, now if I can just find my flag.<br /><br />OK, got it.<br />

<br /><br />Now I'm ready.<br /><br />You all just go ahead and debate tratorism(Still don't know if that is a word or not), and I will be ready with the flag.

 

[Ross J]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Djohns19, you suggest he's an Austrailian but I can report that he's actually a Kiwi from Central Otago. No we're not proud of him either, you guys casn keep him if you like! Failing that make him a "Blue on Blue" incident would you!<br />Ross

 

[12Footer]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

"Traitorism" = "Treason". They used to shoot folks for that..I dunno if they still do, but they're gonna have to use 50cal gat guns by the time this one battle in the war on terrorism is won!! Now, what about all the rest of the fronts?<br />It's enpough to get my carpel tunneling i tell ya.

 

[KennyKenCan]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Has anyone noticed how the passivist's and the liberals have been searching out forums on the internet to post their communistic viewpoints.<br /><br />Then as soon as they notice that no one is listening to their bullcrap, or shoot down their viewpoints with FACTS, you never hear from them anymore.<br /><br />Just goes to show ya that the passivist's and liberals are beginning to lose their battle and have no other place to post their twisted viewpoints, so they are using every forum they can find, from Daisy Pickers to Elephant Dung Eaters to try to get their message out there.<br /><br />So keep up the good work, and in the end, the world will be rid of these jerks, or at least they will be silenced...at least for the time being...until they come up with another stupid reason to put down the government based on their college professors or high school teachers misinformation.

 

[Backlash]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

I'm surprised that none of you has made mention of Hanoi Jane, the ***** of *****s that sold us out in Vietnam. Will I ever forget........Never. Will I ever forgive............Hell No! Arnett is cut from the same cloth but at least he's not an American citizen.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Hey Backlash, let's not even get started on the "Oh I'm here to help you guys" betrayer.<br /><br />That is a whole nother debate for sure, although I think she started a school for this and the other 2 have went through it.<br /><br />I for one have never or will never buy or watch anything that this woman has a thing to do with.<br /><br />She needed to be with some of the vets after the war for about 10 minutes or so.

 

[plywoody]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

I love that comment about the "Facts"<br /><br />Just which facts are you referring to?<br /><br />The fact that we were told that Saddam posed an "imminent threat" to the US, yet all of the evidence either before the war or since, suggests he had no ability to pose any credible threat to even his neighbors, let alone the US.<br /><br />Or the fact that since 9/11, we had to protect ourselves from him, yet there was absolutely no evidence either before or since the war that Saddam had anything to do whatsoever with Alqaida or 9/11, and indeed this action was planned for long before 9/11, and 9/11 simply gave a convenient excuse.<br /><br />Or the fact we were told that we had to act immediately due to the threat of nuclear weapons and other wmd, even though the weapons inspectors were in Iraq and seemed to be making progress.<br /><br />Or that we are fighting for the liberation of the Iraqi people, even though they seem to be resisting this liberation pretty fiercely, and I have yet to see any credible plan for how we are to transform this into a representative government anytime soon, and our track record under this administration is to bail as soon as possible, ala Afghanistan, and leave the country to its own devices. (Except, in Iraq, we will no doubt keep control of the oil wells)<br /><br />Or that we are justified in invading this country and overthrowing their government simply because we can, and we don't like them? Now there is a foreign policy designed to create chaos.<br /><br />Or the fact that the Iraqi soldiers are using unfair tactics? Let's see, we are invading their homeland with a country whose military budget is roughly 400 times what theirs is, but we should definitely expect them to stand out in the open with their slingshots and fight fair with our vastly superior air and ground power. <br /><br />Just which facts are you referring to? I've seen precious few "facts" from any of your sources- only fear mongering, and flag waving, and a general distortion of reality.

 

[12Footer]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Plywoody, please bear with me..This may take a few posts and a few hours of reading, and a gallon or two of coffee for you to receive an answer to all that..But rest assured, there is an answer to it all. First, as for;<br />"The fact that we were told that Saddam posed an "imminent threat" to the US, yet all of the evidence either before the war or since, suggests he had no ability to pose any credible threat to even his neighbors, let alone the US."<br /><br /> link to the FACT <br />"Or the fact that since 9/11, we had to protect ourselves from him, yet there was absolutely no evidence either before or since the war that Saddam had anything to do whatsoever with Alqaida or 9/11, and indeed this action was planned for long before 9/11, and 9/11 simply gave a convenient excuse."<br /><br />Same article should answer this one too.<br /><br />"Or the fact we were told that we had to act immediately due to the threat of nuclear weapons and other wmd, even though the weapons inspectors were in Iraq and seemed to be making progress.<br /><br />Nobody ever told me this one. That's a whopper.<br />We acted on OUR time table , as opposed to UN timetables, and for that, we are villified. So be it. They are a bunch of vultures anyhow!<br />And our present administration gave them 14 months on top of the 12 YEARS that past administrations allowed! To say we acted under an urgency to remove WMD misses the entire point, which is, we were done playing hide-n-seek with this butcher!<br /><br />"Or that we are fighting for the liberation of the Iraqi people, even though they seem to be resisting this liberation pretty fiercely, and I have yet to see any credible plan for how we are to transform this into a representative government anytime soon, and our track record under this administration is to bail as soon as possible, ala Afghanistan, and leave the country to its own devices. (Except, in Iraq, we will no doubt keep control of the oil wells)"<br /><br />Time will answer this one for you. I'll hold this one against you in the future,Plywoody. I'll drive to see ya, take you to the resturaunt of your choice, and treat you to anything on the menu, if, after liberation, the facts of how terrified these people were, and how they were forced to fight is not proven in horrible, grotesque visual proof,and documented acts of this evil regime.<br />From bebore the beginning of hostities,it has been in allmost every speach by the President, and allmost all of those made by his staff,that 'THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY', or, 'THIS WILL TAKE A LONG TIME'.<br />but they allways followed that with the word,"BUT"--- and re-emphasised our determination. Not all Americans mind you, but the majority by far, of both the administration,and the folks they represent.<br />That's the way it goes, in a democracy.

 

[muskyone]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

aren't the missiles he's launching on the banned list

 

[12Footer]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Muskyone, they found banned delivery systems, (warheads and missles),but haven't finished checking to see if any of them are presently carrying WMD payload.<br />But this is insignificant for now, because the present threat is in-country deployment of WMD...And that's a huge threat at present.<br /><br />Plywoody, you said "Or that we are justified in invading this country and overthrowing their government simply because we can, and we don't like them? Now there is a foreign policy designed to create chaos".<br />No.. We are not there to 'overthrow'. We are there to REMOVE him and his party..We plan to give then a democracy. they will be left as we left Germany and Japan. They will be given direction,and once they have a self-governing administration, we will welcome them to the real world. I'll put a steak dinner on that one too! Give them let's say 4 years?

 

[12Footer]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Shame on you! Plywoody, this deserves it's own reply!!<br />"Or the fact that the Iraqi soldiers are using unfair tactics? Let's see, we are invading their homeland with a country whose military budget is roughly 400 times what theirs is, but we should definitely expect them to stand out in the open with their slingshots and fight fair with our vastly superior air and ground power"<br /><br />This is plain sad! If an army was invading your town,your home...Would you think it a wise tactic to place your nieghbors and your own family in front of you?!<br /><br />Would you shoot your wife in the back on a bridge if she attempted to surrender?! I don't believe that! That's as disgusting,as the ememy is disgusting! Hiding behind inocents and using museums and churches (called "mosques" over there) as shields!!<br />You can not believe that's right?!<br />No. If it were you who were outgunned, with no chance of surviving this, you would give your life to defend your homeland.Sure. But what if you did it at gunpoint?<br />No. You would give your life to defend your homeland and family on your own volition,would you not?<br />You would keep one goal above all others...To protect your home and family. If you were told "the infidels would rape your wife,and enslave you sons in the oil fields";, you might even double your resolve. But is this honestly what you think my country is doing to them? Sure, this is what they are told. But do you actually believe that?<br />If so, you don't know us Americans very well, even the Berkley graduates or the KKK are not this evil!

 

[12Footer]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Just which facts are you referring to? I've seen precious few "facts" from any of your sources- only fear mongering, and flag waving, and a general distortion of reality. <br /><br />My personal news sources, (the ones I listen to and believe the most) ,are FOX news, CBS radio news, and CNN--- in that order.<br />Where on this planet do you get yours from, Plywoody? "Al-Ja-Zeeeerraaa"?<br />Aljazeera said Sadamn was going to give an address, but all you got was the muinister of propaganda! If it was a rock concert, and the artist that was sopposed to appear didn't show, and you got some garage band, you'd be upset. I just hope most of the Iraqi people get the message he gave them subliminally...."The sandman is glass that has assumed rom-temperature..Praise ala! now go commit suicide for his dictator's corpse!"<br /><br />And in closing, Plywoody, just what is so bad about waving my flag!?

 

[SCO]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

Good job 12'r. Plywoody, all of us should just let the people who have the will and vision to do what needs to be done do their jobs so that we individuals all will continue to have the freedoms we enjoy. It is important to the world that our vision thrives as we represent the force of freedom. This was the founding idea of our country, and continues to be priority 1. If not us, then who? USA USA USA...

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

Re: Peter Arnett, Traitor, or what?

OH YEA!!!!<br />