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[n1zw_Robin]

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Originally posted by Xcusme:<br />

Originally posted by Chieftanbear:<br /> Thanks for all the great responces and please let me apologize for the big pictures, i did infact try and delete the first posting because of the size and redid them with just the links to a free photo site.If it is not too much trouble can and would one of the admins please delete the pictures that are too large. I thought I had done that by deleteing my own post this afternoon. Very sorry for any problems all.

Hey Chief...no apology needed..it happens. I was just offering a suggestion to resize the pics, heck, I'm not the photo police here!. Some dial up folks might have gotten frustrated waiting for the pics to load and moved on to another thread. Actually, sometimes it BETTER to have larger pics to show fine details! The guys here on iboats are a great bunch, and always willing to offer a helping hand. Please feel free to ask any questions that may arise.<br />Scott, same goes your way, no apology necessary, heck, I've done it myself.<br />I'll take this opportunity to apologize to anyone I might have offended with my suggestion!

No need for apology either I just did not want to take up web site space with big pics. Thanks for all the great advice folks. I hope to learn something here. I did grab that resizer by the way nice little program it is. Thanks.

 

[n1zw_Robin]

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Originally posted by BF:<br /> Hi Chief...<br /><br />As per your Q's... 6 hp's are great little motors... I've got a mid 70's version that I use for trolling... it'll putt putt smoothly for hours and hours barely using any gas... They take 50:1 gasil mix. You say you're new to OB's... rule number 1 is never start it out of water. The rubber water pump impeller will self destruct in moments without water (happens before the engine heats up). If you want to start it at home, put the leg in a garbage can of water. If it's new to you, you should change the lower unit gear oil, and the water pump impeller, and probably spark plugs. Keep the old ones in the boat (and wrench) as spares.... Lower unit oil and impeller are not hard to do, but a service manual helps alot especially the first time.<br /><br />Also, you should pick up a pack of extra drive pins. The drive pin goes through the prop shaft and holes on the prop. If you hit something underwater, the drive pin should break before the gears (they are also called "shear pins" because that's what's supposed to happen). Anyway you can change a broken one easily enough, but you should have spares in the boat. <br /><br />On older motors like these, the coils often have cracks that can cause ignition problems... They're under the flywheel, and you'll need a puller to access them (harmonic balancer puller works good). Parts are still availbable, so no worries if you need something.<br /><br />Edit---<br />I just read the brochure... funny.. I'm pretty sure mine has a shear pin... it says the '65 doesn't (?) Of course I might be mixing my 6hp with other johnny-rudes I have (or had) ?

Well I am afraid I had all ready got the little motor running a little bit. I did take notice of not to let it get too. From what the guy told me it has been sitting for about two years in the sellar. I would like to know what main components I need to change before hitting the water for my fishing season. I will be looking into a manual, plugs, impellar?, and whatever else may be needed for proper runnings. I really appreciate all the great help and great directions from all of you.

 

[n1zw_Robin]

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Hello again all I have ordered the manual for this outbaord today. If possible I was wondering if someone could give me some part numbers for items i may need, I have one already for the starter gear p/n 318447 ,I also so have the plugs Champion JC6 gapped .030 0r .040 for better idle. I may need to have few more parts on hand since I had already ran the outboard out the water. I see pictures of impellors or impellers? and waterpump kits. Since the engine has not been run in the water and I no it does not idle very well what parts would you recommend I get that won't break me. thanks in advance , Rob

 

[Paul Moir]

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If it doesn't idle very well I would go right ahead and clean & rebuild the carburetor with a carb kit. This you really want to get from the dealer since it ought to come with a nice new plastic float to replace the troublesome cork one. 439071 ~$20-$25 depending on how much of a break your dealer gives you. <br />As for the water pump, that's a for-sure thing. Bare minimum is a replacement impeller, but the aftermarket kit is not a bad idea either for a couple bucks more. Aftermarket is P/N 18-3001 for the impeller alone, 18-3202 for the repair kit which comes with a new stainless wear plate & tube grommet (these are for the metal housing pump). OEM p/n is 434424 for the impeller alone. If it turns out you have the plastic housing or want to move to it just ask for the P/Ns for that. All of those are in the $10-$15 range.<br /><br />I never bother to replace points or condensors usually. Just clean and gap the points. If the ignition coils are cracked, they will have to be replaced. But if it runs fine at full throttle, that's not likely a problem.<br />Even spark plugs are not worth replacing compared to those first two. You can just clean & gap them. <br />Plug wires: if they're not cracked they're fine. They don't degrade internally like automotive ones.<br />Lower unit oil should be replaced so you can inspect it. I guess about $5 for a tube of oil and $2 for a pair of new fill/drain screw gaskets. You might want to get a handful of those for later.<br /><br />Does that seem to suit you? That looks like a well cared for engine by your pictures. I'm sure it doesn't need much to be a very good engine. It would be good to run a compression check to verify you've got a healthy engine. But if it's got good power at full throttle that's likely fine as well.

 

[Xcusme]

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One more thing to consider. Keep an eye open for a replacement gear shift lever. From the pics, it looks like scratch marks from pliers or vice grips have been used to shift gears. When you do shift gears, turn the throttle down to an idle and shift smartly. Don't shift the lever slowly, this wears the clutch dog and gears in the lower unit.<br /><br />By the way...you said ..." I may need to have few more parts on hand since I had already ran the outboard out the water. I see pictures of impellors or impellers? and waterpump kits. Since the engine has not been run in the water and I no it does not idle very well what parts would you recommend I get that won't break me. thanks in advance , Rob"<br /><br />If I read that right, you ran the motor without any cooling water ( not in a barrel or at the lake). Never run the motor for even a few seconds without water. It takes but a few seconds to destroy the water pump impeller and not much longer to warp the head or do other major damage.<br /><br />Good luck and keep us posted on your progress

 

[n1zw_Robin]

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Ok guys thanks very much for the quick replies here. I will make notes of all the part numbers and see how fast i can get them here. I would much rather start fresh any how. I know it sat for a while so it must be in need of some TLC. <br /><br />Thanks for all the info I will keep you informed of my progress it will be some new things to learn for me but, I am sure with a manual and plenty quetions and answers from people that know more than me I will get it running fine and be able to enjoy my fishing for a change. <br /><br />I will keep and i out for a new shift lever and you are right the previous owner used visegrips. Thanks again for all the great advice and pointers.

 

[n1zw_Robin]

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Hello again folks, well after being on the phoe today with unfortunate bad luck I guess I still can't get any parts for this outboard. No matter what part place I go to on the web or call I need the model number and serial number for this outboard. Knowing the year or approximate year has helped a lot for me to at least look around and maybe from the manual I will be able to at least get a few part numbers and just go from there. All the great effort in helping me thus far is much appreciated gents. I have to admit I am getting a little discouraged about getting needed parts. Thanks again all , Rob

 

[Paul Moir]

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We can deduce the model number and give them that. 6502M will do since it's a short shaft. If they want a serial number too, tell em' E01171. I just grabbed those numbers from an old post, they're the same as someone else's '65 Fisherman. Perhaps you'll want to invent your own S/N. <br />I forgot to mention to lube up any grease points and slather the propshaft with marine grease. The service manual will identify all the lube points.

 

[rickdb1boat]

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Do ya have a NAPA auto parts store near ya? They can get the parts you need.... Just a thought...

 

[ezeke]

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If you want the parts manual there are a couple on Ebay "Buy it Now". Also, the 6 HP Johnson for 1965 has the same parts except for the cover.<br /><br /> Parts Manual 1965 6HP <br /><br />If you know the part number, Ishopmarine.com will sell it to you without a lot of mystery. Most dealers just don't want to sell you the wrong part.

 

[n1zw_Robin]

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Thanks again all, I did go to ebay and purchase the parts catalog for the year 65. I am sure there is a NAPA in the next city over also. the main thing is everyone i called kept asking for something I just did not have. Sure I felt like a jerk also but, what can you do with no information except ask for help here. I guess the next thing to do is wait until I get the manual for the outboard and then the parts manual also then go from there. All other help has really been top notch folks. I don't so any major problems with getting the motor running smooth after I have gained some kind of knowledge from the books and the forum. Thanks again all. I will check ishopmarine today for now. Rob

 

[ezeke]

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While you are waiting for that manual,if you need a part number. I can look it up.

 

[n1zw_Robin]

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Thanks for the offer I did email you today Sunday. in case you are wondering who from n1zw@cox.net

 

[n1zw_Robin]

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I just wanted to stop in here thanks you all for the help in getting parts manual and the maintnance manual for this little outboard. Now I can have some idea of where things go and how to repair or replace them. I can also learn more about the outboard too. Only thing I wish I had was the origianl serial number for it hi hi. I guess I can make my own now that I know what it is hi hi. thanks all.