PLUGS Fouling Fast

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I have a 25 hp johnson I use to duck hunt and fish. The motor has great compression and is very strong. The last 2 months or so I have been going through sprak plugs about every trip. When I pull them out they are pretty dark and from reading what I've found I think it may just be Carbon Build Up? I'm not a mechanic by any means but do know my way around the motor. I've owned several engines in the past and never had any trouble with this and the oil i've used. I only run 91 or 93 octane through the gas tank and mix it 50/1. Could there be something else making the plugs foul so fast? I do idle alot putting out decoys and getting through the timber, but I'm sure I should be able to go sometime without fouling them.

What is the best way to de-carbonize the motor?

Could trash or particles in the Carb cause this? It starts and runs fine with new plugs but it's getting old changing the plugs halfway through the woods-

Any Help would be appreciated-

Cody

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HighTrim

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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

Few things. What plugs are you running? Have you tested for spark? If you gap them to 035 or 040, it should help with your extended trolling. Also there is no need for the high octane fuel, you are only wasting your money, 87 octane is sufficient. Check the FAQ for decarboning techniques, but be prepared for it to smoke like heck and drip goo all over the place. You will need to change your plugs after the decarb.

actually here it is, welcome to iboats

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=158076

This is tashas technique, which i find to work well

Invest in a can of seafoam, in a portable tank, mix 3/4 gallons of premix gas, an 3/4 can of seafoam, (assuming you don't have the vro connected). Put the remaining seafoam in a spray bottle, run the motor up to temperture, remove the plugs, one at a time, spray some seafoam into each cylinder and replace plug. Let it sit 15 minutes, remove the air silencer from the carb while waiting, restart motor, and spray seafoam into each carb, until it start to stall. Repeat until the seafoam is gone. Run out the remaining gas. Replace the plugs with new ones.
 

Silvertip

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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

You don't say how old the engine is but it may be due for a carb rebuild. A float that has sunk or float level has changed, or an inlet needle and seat that is not closing causes high fuel level in the float bowl. That causes and overly rich mixture. If the carb has high and low speed mixture screws, the low speed screw may have unscrewed and caused a rich mixture which will dirty up the plugs. An engine that is carboned up should not fowl plugs in a short time. Over rich mixture or weak spark is what does that. Decarbing the engine will not hurt anything and will clean it up if it is indeed carboned up.
 

F_R

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Is your thermostat working? It needs to keep the motor warmed up as much as is possible under the circumstances. Obviously you are running in cold weather and water, which will foul faster. So will the richer carb settings required.
 
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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

Thanks for the responses.

After googleing several images of "fouled plugs" I beleive I have ..

Oil Fouled Plugs, The plugs appear to be wet, dark and well.. oily.



The motor is a 1975 model with less than 100 hours on it. My buddies Grandmother had it and used it very little. My friend used it for a couple of years sparingly, with no problems.

In the past it has had the tendency to flood if not started the correct way.ie. Full choke for 2 pulls or until it hits (generally from being dead cold 3 pulls will start it) then no choke and she will fire right up. It cranks every time with 1 pull thereafter.

Are there any quick fixes for this? What steps should I take to rectify this problem? THANKS for all your help.

TT
 

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I would start by getting a manual, then rebuild the carbs. This video may help for your first time. Good luck.

"http://www.meegsonline.com/tmd/TMDsVideoChronicle2.wmv"
 
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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

So I guess it's a fair statement that the issue I have is somewhere within the carb?

Once Again, Thanks
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

i would say it is a correct statement to say it is in the carb, complete cleaning, rebuild with kit w/ float. and adjusting.
 
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Thanks to all, You folks have been superb. The TMD Video is excellent! No worries here, Time to get a little dirty!

Trout Troller
 
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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

Oh Yeah, One more Question...


Do you all think I should go with the J6C Plugs instead of the J4C's I'm currently running to help with my low speed's?

TT
 

steelespike

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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

I don't know if I would jump into the carbs yet.Have you fine tuned the idle mixture screw.Initial setting is one turn open from gently bottomed.Then final adjustment warm in gear.Be sure idle is 650 rpm.Champion J4C plugs are reccomended.
With extended cold weather idling I think I would go to J6C.Be sure the thermostat is present and operating.Another source of fouling is the fuel pump.
If the diaphram gets a hole it will foul one of the plugs.I believe the bottom.
 
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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

Both Plugs are fouling equally and the motor seems to be getting adequate fuel. But then again I am not a mechanic.

Would you be able to tell me which screw is the idle mix. screw?
 
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Could the Lean/Rich setting be a possible source to look at as well? Do you know the suggested setting for it?

Thanks,

TT
 

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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)
(J. Reeves)

Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.

Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

Note: As a final double check setting of the slow speed valve(s), if the engine has more than one carburetor, do not attempt to gradually adjust all of the valves/carburetors at the same time. Do one at a time until you hit the above response (die out or spit back), then go on to the next valve/carburetor. It may be necessary to back out "all" of the slow speed adjustable needle valves 1/8 turn before doing this final adjustment due to the fact that one of the valves might be initially set ever so slightly lean.

When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.

The Champion J4C is the recommended spark plug BUT the alternative OMC recommended J6C plug may provide improved performance due to the engine's age. Try both and decide which is better for you. The recommended gap is to be .030, and as mentioned above, a gasoline octane rating of 87 is fine for that engine. The higher octane can cause damage within various engines.

Spark plugs suddenly fouling can also be caused by weak ignition. Have you checked the spark lately? The spark tester should have a gap setting of 1/4" and the spark should be a stroung blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP!! Is it? Note that the test 1/4" gap is important. If you have no tester, one can easily be built as follows.

(Spark Tester - Home Made)
(J. Reeves)

A spark tester can be made with a piece of 1x4 or 1x6, drive a few finishing nails through it, then bend the pointed ends at a right angle. You can then adjust the gap by simply twisting the nail(s). Solder a spark plug wire to one which you can connect to the spark plug boots, and a ground wire of some kind to the other to connect to the powerhead somewhere. Use small alligator clips on the other end of the wires to connect to ground and to the spark plug connector that exists inside of the rubber plug boot.

Using the above, one could easily build a spark tester whereas the!y could connect 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinders all at one time. The ground nail being straight up, the others being bent, aimed at the ground nail. A typical 4 cylinder tester follows:


..........X1..........X2

.................X..(grd)

..........X3..........X4

When time permits, visit my store (copy/paste) at: stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store
 
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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

HEY Hey!

Just went and did those adjustment to the S/S Screw. Purring like a Kitten to say the least. Come to find out, my setting was way to rich and once I found the sweet spot she is running smooth at min. RPM in Neutral. I checked the plugs and they look good. I ran it in the trash can for about 15 min. before I checked them. I only live about a mile from the boat ramp on Greers Ferry Lake so I'm going to go and run it for a good while and see how it holds up.I've also picked up some of those J6C's and hopefully this will help with my slow speeds through the Woods.

TT
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: PLUGS Fouling Fast

if you do a lot of idling, open you plugs another .005 or .010. it is recommended, for slow use motors. without a manual, i believe your gap should be .030, for fast running, for slow running, try .035 or .040.
 
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