PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

[CumminsDriver]

Hey guys first of all thank you for taking the time to help me out I'm 17 years old been working on outboards since I was 13 I know A LOT for my age but back to the topic.

I picked up this Duck boat to fix for a buddy he's paying me to do full service on it while in the process I found out it had no spark nothing. I tested the stator trigger and pack etc all looked good to me as I had a CDI Diagram next to me. Also find it sword of impossible for both coils just to go out at same time

DVA readings:

STATOR: 150 volts (Ive seen on other outboards it jump over 250v is this voltage for stator Low??) Also the ohms resistance is 875ohms it should be 450-550 as said on cdi is this my problem?

Power Pack: is only reading a couple volts. Was reading 150v the other day very weird

Trigger: .6 to 1 volts


Engine is a 2 cylinder 2 stroke 30hp Evinrude, 1996 I believe.

MODEL: E30RLEDE
SERIAL: G 04111131

I've tried disconnecting the kill switch also still had no spark.


Here's the correct readings for the electrical:

http://www.cdielectronics.com/downloads/Johnson_Evinrude_DVA.pdf


THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH!!

 

[oldman570]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

If any of the comonets test bad starting at the flywheel, using the CDI spec sheet, then that is probly you trouble. Check for any wires that are rub worn or pinched that could leak voltage to ground under the flywheel and stator plate. Test for bad conections. Check the ware plate for excissive ware and ply that could let the stator plate move sideways causing exssive clearance when the flywheel gose pat the pickup trigger and coil. From the readings you supplied I would test the coils again with all wires removed. JMO
Oldman570

 

[CumminsDriver]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

I appreciate the advice old man I happend to clean all the grounds and clean any connections and check all of them they are all fine I'm going to check the ware plates like you said in the morning... On the coils if any body knows a way to test the coils on this engine please let me know it would be greatly appreciated and the coils have 150volts going to them but read 4 or 5 volts at the spark plug wire which I just find weird... If anybody else has any idea please let me know thanks guys!!


P.s. this guy missed first couple weeks of duck season I need this thing done by December....

 

[likitvi]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

These testing instructions are for older models with CDI ignition, but I'd assume that the tests are performed very similarly.

Ignition coil primary winding - Measure resistance from coil primary terminal to engine ground.
Ignition coil secondary winding - Measure resistance from spark plug lead to engine ground.

The expected values should be 0.1 plus-minus 0.05 ohms for the primary and 275 plus-minus 50 ohms for the secondary winding. You would better acquire the correct values for this engine, though. They might be different. While at it, test charge and sensor coil resistance also.

I don't think that you can reasonably test an ignition coil output with a multimeter only. And a good understanding of safety with electrical equipment is advisable if trying to rig some sort of a test setup.

 

[AlTn]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

guessing you meant .6 volts for the trigger voltage?...and with 150 v from the powerpack to the coils you should get a spark...are the spark plug wires from the coils to the plugs tight?...are you checking with a spark tester and know that you have a good ground for the tester?

 

[CumminsDriver]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

Yea likitv thanks for the info I'm going to do some more tests after I eat some lunch.. Also I do have a dva peak voltage connected to my meter and I don't think this engine has a power coil there is no testing for it on cdi it says N/A... It only has the charge coil on cdi and the voltage was 150-170 volts is that a good reading?

 

[CumminsDriver]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

guessing you meant .6 volts for the trigger voltage?...and with 150 v from the power pack to the coils you should get a spark...are the spark plug wires from the coils to the plugs tight?...are you checking with a spark tester and know that you have a good ground for the tester?

Yes I did mean .6 volts and Thats what I was thinking 150v to coils it should be sparking. all connections are clean tight and corrosion free I have checked with spark plug tester and once with my dad holding the plug to the power head nothing, not 1 little spark.


I NEED HELP PEOPLE IF ONE OF YOU WERE IN MY BOAT BEFORE AND GOT A IDEA PLEASE POST IT ON HERE. I've tried a lot to get this thing sparking including going through every wire and cleaning all grounds on the engine

 

[Willyclay]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

Also find it sword of impossible for both coils just to go out at same time!

My signature identifies the fact that I am not an expert so please consider that when reading this suggestion. The total loss of spark is very strange to me also. My suggestion is to perform a link&sync on the ignition advance and carb linkage. My reason for that suggetion is I went through a similar thing on my bud's boat with a 1990 Evinrude three-cylinder 60HP motor. He had bad gas and in the process of cleaning the carbs, we got the ignition linkage out of sync and that caused the safety switch to kill the spark to all cylinders. After chasing that ghost with no luck using the CDI instructions, we performed a link&sync procedure and it fired right up. Good luck!

 

[CumminsDriver]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

EVERY ONE I HAVE No volts coming out of the power pack wires the orange ones that go to the coils.. Trigger is testing .6-1.0volts Also my ohms resistance for the stator is 875ohms should be 450-550ohms stator brown and brown/yellow wire is getting 150 volts Do I need a power pack or stator??? I was thinking it was the pack LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK THANKS GUYS

 

[likitvi]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

Did you ensure that the power pack kill wire is not grounded at the same connector than the wires going to the coil? Also check resistance on the kill line from the power pack side of the connector to engine ground. If you get any reading there it means that the kill wire is grounding somewhere and that will prevent the power pack from triggering the coils.

 

[CumminsDriver]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

Did you ensure that the power pack kill wire is not grounded at the same connector than the wires going to the coil? Also check resistance on the kill line from the power pack side of the connector to engine ground. If you get any reading there it means that the kill wire is grounding somewhere and that will prevent the power pack from triggering the coils.

Hey I will do that today im ordering a powerpack today if it doesnt read anything let me know if theres anything else i should do thanks

 

[AlTn]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

if it's more than the pp...go to marineengine.com and find your yr/hp/ignition...part no. 35 is the power ( charge ) coil for the pp

 

[CumminsDriver]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

if it's more than the pp...go to marineengine.com and find your yr/hp/ignition...part no. 35 is the power ( charge ) coil for the pp

Ok I Appreciate the help I just checked the website out but do you think the stator is my problem? its reading 150v-165v but the ohms reading is 875 when it should be 450 to 550 ohms why is it so much higher?

 

[likitvi]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

The way CDI ignition works means that you should register a reading from the spark plug wire or before an ignition coil if you measure voltage, or current, from either to engine ground while the ignition should operate. But if the potential, in other words voltage, is not high enough the spark will not "jump" the air gap in the spark plug. That means the electric circuit will not close, current will not flow, there will be no spark, and the engine will not operate.

If you close the circuit with an multimeter to engine ground there will be next to no resistance when compared to the air gap in the spark plug. The circuit is then "closed" all the time and you should register voltage/current on the meter if the ignition operates. If you register none after the power pack, or ignition coil, that part is not operating as it should. If the voltage, potential, is not high enough it will not jump the gap in the spark plug though.

OBSERVE CAUTION when metering the high voltage, or ignition coil, side of an ignition coil. Power is the product of voltage and current. Over a coil, a transformer, power is preseved while low voltage side holds low current and high current, the high voltage side has as result a high voltage and a low current. Relating with a water fall, potential - voltage, is related to its drop and current its flow. The high voltage side of an ignition coil gets lethal very quickly if a little more current flows through the low voltage side.

 

[geoffwga1]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

Boy!! Am I glad all my motors have simple old fashioned magnetos.

 

[jasper60103]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

Ok I Appreciate the help I just checked the website out but do you think the stator is my problem? its reading 150v-165v but the ohms reading is 875 when it should be 450 to 550 ohms why is it so much higher?

You may want to give CDI a call. Looking at the spec for the CDI power pack (CDI P/N: 113-4767) for your motor, it says 450-850 Ohms, so your measurement is just borderline high.
Good luck.

 

[CumminsDriver]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

You may want to give CDI a call. Looking at the spec for the CDI power pack (CDI P/N: 113-4767) for your motor, it says 450-850 Ohms, so your measurement is just borderline high.
Good luck.

My reading are suppose to be 450 to 550 part number for power pack is 584767 what would that mean if my ohms are that high?

 

[CumminsDriver]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

Did you ensure that the power pack kill wire is not grounded at the same connector than the wires going to the coil? Also check resistance on the kill line from the power pack side of the connector to engine ground. If you get any reading there it means that the kill wire is grounding somewhere and that will prevent the power pack from triggering the coils.

There is 0.5 ohms at the killwire is that bad?

 

[likitvi]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

From the connector to the wiring harness - The other side from power pack" - you should register low resistance with engine "off". Infinite resistance with key "ON". Sorry, I don't have the circuit diagram with me right now but, duh, yes.

Naturally you must measure less than infinite resistance, that is connectivity, on the power pack side of the connector in any case. I tried to figure a test for the wire from the power pack to the connect if it is worn but that is not valid.

EDIT: If you cannot measure any voltage, or current, at the output side of the power pack on either of the coil wires or the kill wire, you must have a problem there. Charge coil should "load" a capacitor in the power pack and one of the sensor coil should then provide a triggering current to discharge the loaded capacitor through either of the ignition coils in this engine.

 

[jasper60103]

Re: PLZ PLZ Help 30hp evinrude NO SPARK Did all DVA testing and still clueless

Any update?