Points to electronic ignition?

jedimaster

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Just wondering how many people switchthere points ignition to an electronic ignition on a '88 3.0 mercruiser 140hp?
Is there anything other than ecu, distributor, cap, rotor, wires?
I know when I had my '67 valiant with points it was a very common thing to swap over to electronic ignition.
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

Ayuh,.......

You can Either,... Install a Pertronics Conversion in Your Dist.......

Or,...... Update it to a Newer T-Bolt IV, or T-Bolt V..........

I'd have Thought that an 88 would Already Be Electronic.......
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

1988 must be the last year of conventional ignition. A lot of owners with failed digital ignition would love to have your distributor. MerCruiser made their own electronic ignition, but failures seem common and you can't get parts for those anymore. Then they went to GM's EST ignition. Those are good. But there is a module that will replace your points for a lot less money. click me
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

on a similar sort of topic, does anyone switch over to a TBI fuel injection system?
I know some of the GM's have batch fuelinjection systems with minimal sensors and could be installed with minimal modification.
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

I bought a Pertronix kit for my Volvo. You can check. Heard a lot of good things about these kits and they only cost $100 for the swap.
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

I think Pertronix would have a kit for your Merc also. No more points, condensor and as an added onus threw out the ballast resistor also. Heard alot of good things about these kits.
 

Don S

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

You have a 3.0L engine, no TBI's made for them that I am aware of. I remember rodbolt mentioning that Marine Power had one, but I've never seen or heard of one except for that.
There is also No Thunderbolt ignitions for the 3.0l engine, Merc only used them for V6 & V8 engines.
The Pertronix would be the best way to go as the EST system would requier special connectors for the distributor and coil, along with knowing how to put in base timing for setting the timing. Plus the EST parts would cost over $400 new.

PS: 1990 was the first year Merc used the EST on the 3.0L
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

I know when I had my '67 valiant it was quite common for people to modify a GM TBI system from the mid 80's V6, can't recall off hand. You could also run a batch fire multiport system without a cam sensor to control the injectors.

The big benifit is you get better atomization than with a carb, and gain in fuel economy and power.
Most people that I know That did it saw a 10 percent increas in HP and 10 percent increase in fuel economy. The Multiport batch was slightly better than the TBI setup.

TBI and Batch fire pretty much run like a carb only the rate of fuel flow is controlled. its not like a more modern sequential FI system that sprays onto the intake runners only when that cylinder is on its intake stroke. Direct port is not an option for obvious reasons.

You had to install a couple of sensors,off hand a temp and O2 sensor. the TPS and other sensors were all contained within the Throttle body itself.
The only extra thing you needed was an electronic ignition, fuel pump and fuel lines.
You could get adapters to adapt from the 2 barrel holly to match up to the TBI base.

I'll have to dig around a bit to find out the exact donor car you pulled everything from.

It wasn't a weekend job but might be something interesting to play around with over a winter and really is not all that hard once you dig into it. The hardest part is collecting all of the right parts and wiring it up. The actual throttle body/fuel pump install is quite easy. Especially if you buy an aftermarket external fuel pump. The O2 Bung is easy enough if you can weld, but it may prove to be difficult or impossible in a marine setup do to the manifold desin.

You get a few big benifits, fuel economy, power, more of a closed system(no mor carb gas fume smell) smoother idle. but of course with electronics you get some not so nice drawbacks.
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

You are now working with a MARINE engine, not a 67 Valiant. The parts in the fuel system must meet and be approved by the CG for Marine use.
Marine engines also don't have O2 sensors ............
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

Too true. Much easier to just buy a different boat. When did Mercruiser start using FI systems? I am surprised that the don't use O2 sensors to control the mixture.
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

The previous owner of my 73 L6 165hp Mercruiser had converted mine to a Pertronics unit and it runs great. Starts at the turn of the switch and doesn't misfire no matter how long since it's been cranked or how cold it is.
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

Too true. Much easier to just buy a different boat. When did Mercruiser start using FI systems? I am surprised that the don't use O2 sensors to control the mixture.

O2 sensors have to reach a very high temperature to be accurate. In a wet exhaust that is in a boat, this is extremely difficult.
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

and would they not be shorted out by the water spray?
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

Not to mention corrosion and scaling. Look for O2 sensors with the catalytic converters on new powerplants coming soon to a marine dealer near you. Well, soon is a relative term. ;)
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

I just got done putting in a Pertronics ignitor II and matching flamethower II coil. I took it out 2 days ago, and it felt like a new boat. Granted the points had not been touched in over 10 years, so they were pretty bad. Started right up and reved up nicely. Ive got a 1966 mercruiser 110 same as 120 and 140. I went ahead and replaced the wires, cap, rotor, ignition, and coil. I couldn't be happier with the setup.

If your looking at the Pertronics ignitions, they have a cheaper model, but Ive read that the ignition will fry itself if you leave the key on. The ignitor 2 has an automatic sensor that shuts itself off so it doesn't self destruct.
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

Not to mention corrosion and scaling. Look for O2 sensors with the catalytic converters on new powerplants coming soon to a marine dealer near you. Well, soon is a relative term. ;)

I swear I saw an episode of Ship shape TV premiering a new Formula boat with the latest GM marinized MPI that incorporated sensors in the exhaust manifold.:confused:
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

I installed the Pertonix Ignitor in my 87 3.0l Merc and it went extremly easy and works great.

You would need either the 1146A (ignitor) or the 91146A (Ignitor II).

In my view this is a very good upgrade. Well worth the money.
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

I've done a few of those Pertronix systems - they work well and very easy to install. Never minded points, though - in a pinch you can do a "tune-up" with a matchbook...

I was at a Merc seminar a few months back and they will have new MPI's coming out with not only O2 sensors, but catalytic converters too. It's a canister that fits down into the manifold. More than a few grumbles from the audience, as you can imagine. They're using O2 sensors because they haven't found a way to make a MAF last in a saltwater environment. I'm sure those of you in Cali. will get to see the first ones...
 

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Re: Points to electronic ignition?

I would have thought that marine systems would shy towards a MAP system for that very reason of water entering a MAF system.
 

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I swear I saw an episode of Ship shape TV premiering a new Formula boat with the latest GM marinized MPI that incorporated sensors in the exhaust manifold.:confused:

There are sensors in the exhaust RISER of the Volvo MPI engines. But they are nothing more than Temp alarm switches.
 
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