Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

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This motor is mounted on a 16ft sidewinder that we use for waterskiing. I've owned it since about 1993 and the powerhead was rebuilt about 1995. I've noticed a slow deterioration in the acceleration over the last few years. This year it has gotten to the point where it has a hard time hauling up a 200 lbs skier. It used to be able to rip a skier up in no time. If there's no skier (i.e less load) then most people would barely notice that the acceleration is poor. When hauling the skier, I find that once the boat planes (and the load therefore drops off), the motor then accelerates nicely and the boat takes off like a rocket. There is no problem with idle. There is also no problem with top end speed. Nothing has changed on the setup (no change in prop, no change in mounting position, etc.) I am thinking that it is either a timing problem (it is trying to advance before it should?) or a carburetor problem (mixture not right?). I have taken the boat to mechanics in the past, but they never seem to get it right because they can never put the boat under the full load of a skier. They always set it up to run fast at WOT, which I really don't care much about. The boat goes faster than I need for skiing - the most important thing is the hole shot (acceleration). The trouble with taking this to a mechanic is that it gets very expensive because it is hard to even reproduce the problem without putting the motor under the same load as a skier in the water. If someone could give me some tips on what to try I would greatly appreciate it.
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

Start with a basic health check. Compression, spark, fuel delivery and plug condition. Post your results for all to review.
Should take a look at the boat itself as well. Any waterlogged flotation foam in there adding weight gradually over the last few years ???
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

your motor is suppose to be set up to operate at 5500 rpms at wot. this way when you operate it at other speeds, you do not lug the motor. i would do a decarb, and make sure all fuel lines from carbs to tank are alcohol resistant.

take a look here http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=299680

also are you sure you are not carrying extra unwanted weight. like saturated foam under the deck. it would be very common for a boat that age.
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

I should have mentioned that I rebuilt the boat itslelf about 6 or 7 years ago because the transom rotted and the foam was water logged. I stripped all the wood and foam completely and did a good job putting it back together - it is solid as a rock now. The problem doesn't coincide with the boat rebuild and I know it has nothing to do with that. I know to get the boat planing quicker to put the people toward the bow - we've always done that - nothing changed there. The power trim is set all the way in for the hole shot and that's the way we've always done it - no change here either.
I already took the plugs out and they were slightly blackened, but not horribly so, and all of them looked the same. It didn't look that abnormal to me. I put in new ones anyway, but found it made no difference. There is no misfiring when I am running it. The acceleration is just slower than it should be.
I have never done anything to the carbs over the years. I'll try cleaning and see if that fixed things.
Every year I have been meticulous about putting stabilizer in the fuel and fogging the carbs for winter storage. Winter storage has always been in my garage, which never goes below freezing.
The boat is not at my house so it will take time before I get out there and can report back. Any other simple things I could try to either fix it or diagnose what it needs?
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

Compression, spark and fuel checks. Carb rebuild is a good idea if it has not been done.
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

I got the boat back home and started some of the basic checks. Spark plugs still looked good. I did a compression check and I think this might be the problem... It is a V4. Looking from the rear of the engine, the top left cylinder ran at 150psi. The bottom left at 140psi. The bottom right at 140 psi. And alas, the top right at only 100psi. That's not good, is it? The compression check was done under no load. If the boat were pulling a heavy load, I am guessing that we would be leaking even more pressure from the top right cylinder. Does this mean a full rebuild is necessary?
I took a look at the carbs, but didn't bother taking them off. They certainly look pretty damn clean when looking down their throats. If people think the cylinder is not my problem then maybe I'll take them off and rebuild them.

Another issue I found on this motor that began this year is that once in a while you can be humming along at 30mpg and all of a sudden it will die right out as if someone cut the key or something. It will stall right out. After it has stopped, without fidling with anything at all, you can just turn the key again and it will fire back up and run normally. It's done it perhaps 5 or 6 times this year, and I don't know how to reproduce it. Any idea what that might be? Just an electrical short somewhere or a symptom of a powerpack that is failing?
Thanks for all the help.
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

I think I might have found the short that caused the motor to suddenly cut out. At the powerpack I took off a plastic cover and there was a bank of wires connected to a screw block with about 6 or 7 screws. One of them had backed out and was just resting loose, obviously making poor contact. I think it lead to the fuel pump but am not certain. I tightened it up and put things back.

I wonder if that might have caused my poor acceleration problem, too. But, I doubt it. The poor acceleration problem is not a once in a while thing. It's all the time when the boat is under the heavy load of trying to haul up a skier.
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

How about a decarb ??? done that recently ??
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

I have never done a decarb on this motor, but will do one on my next outing.
I did read elsewhere from someone about carbon buildup as a possible reason for low compression in a cylinder. After decarb I'll retest compression and let you know what I get. Thanks for the advice.
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

I got a chance to test the boat yesterday. It worked GREAT!
Between the decarb and fixing the loose wire, I am back to full power. I even got more top end speed that I never noticed was missing. Yesterday I got to 42mph with 4 people in the boat, whereas I was only getting 36mph previously. The hole shot with a skier was very good. I guess the lower compression in one cylinder was not the issue.
Thanks to everyone for the advice that helped me fix the motor. I am now a firm believer in decarbing and will start doing it once a year.
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

Oh, by the way, the decarb made the motor smoke like a chimney, but upon retesting the compression there was no change. Maybe that cylinder has always been low.
 

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Oh, by the way, the decarb made the motor smoke like a chimney, but upon retesting the compression there was no change. Maybe that cylinder has always been low.

No harm whatsoever in a further decarb as one ring in that cylinder may well still be sticking. Another attack with seafoam may well sort it out.
 

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Re: Poor acceleration: 120HP 1985 Evinrude Outboard

I would spray some seafoam right in the low cylinder and leave it to soak an hr or two, retest compression.
If its still low pull the cylinder head and exh cover, inspect rings..

if the rings are ok check the head for flatness, dress it level again if necessary and install new gaskets.

Either way 50 psi difference will fail in the end ,
one way or another unless fixed .:eek:
 
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