portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

mtduckhunter

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is it possible to have a 6 gal. portable tank as a permenant tank using a deck fill? could you use a sending unit for a fuel gauge?

the reason im asking is because i want a permenant fuel tank but dont have the money for it. and i want to put the tank in the front to reduce stern weight which is a big problem with my boat. i wana out it under my floor also, but i dont think they make one that aint too high ( in inches ).

any suggestions????
 

Marcq

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

Yeah, I was wondering the same things and they're cheaper too

I'll let others chime in

Marc..
 

kalla man

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

the problem that people argue is the grounding of the tank

perm. tanks have grounds which prevent static charge build up

portable tanks do not have grounds and are meant to be placed on the ground when filling to discharge static charge.
 

mtduckhunter

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

so what do you ground a perm. tank to?
 

5150abf

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

You would think so but by the time you get a deck fill,vent, sender and gas gage you aren't cheap anymore, and that is alot of work.
Why can't you just move the tank to the front of the boat?

Mine was stern heavy too and I found just enough room to move the battery up there and that helped alot and it is alot easier and safer than moving a gas tank.

Just checked Cabelas and they have a permanent tank that is 7 1/4" tall where a portable is 9 3/4, it was $139 with a sender installed.
Just a thought.
 

kalla man

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

the ground is normally on the sender

why not just move it to the front, put in under the floor (accessible by hatch)
and just pull it out, fill up, put back, and go
 

ezmobee

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

I was thinking of doing something similar to what you're thinking of doing especially since my boat had a pre-existing filler port on the closed bow and a fuel line running from front to back under the floor. I got a 12 gallon tank similar to this one http://www.iboats.com/Moeller_12_GA...0639812--**********.504167990--view_id.361853 and "mounted" it to the floor using brackets orginally designed to hold a cooler in place.

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I ended up connecting a short length of hose and a standard portable tank connector to my permanent line. I never attempted to connect up the filler tube as it hasn't been a big deal for me to pull that one out to fill it.
 

mtduckhunter

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

the same tank your talking about 5150 is $115 in bass pro. but it doesnt say it comes with the sending unit, but its the same brand and tank, so i assume it does.

i could put the portable tank up front under the fishing deck, but that would take up alot of my storage space.

another thought, if the perm. tanks are grounded at the sending unit, why couldnt you put a sending unit in the portable tank and be grounded the same way?

ezmo, i like your idea, but i cant see my skinny self lifting a full 12 gal. tank 4 feet to put it in my boat.

my dad has a portable 6 gal. tank in his boat, and he never takes it out to fill it.:confused:
 

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

It may sound like a dumb question but there's one thing that puzzle me, does a boat without a battery have a ground ?

Marc..
 

cordell

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

Well if its on a trailer, connected to a hitch. As far as in the water... That is a good question! lol



cordell
 

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

So you don't have a power source? I'm pretty sure these gauges work by putting current through some sort of a resistor whose resistance changes based on the level of fuel. I would think you'd need a power source for it to work.
 

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

Now that is :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:!!!

I have an aluminum boat. I never take my tank out either to fill. My boat came with a 20 minute DVD that suggested one always ground the nozzle by touching it to a metal surface before a filling up your car so I've gotten into the habit of touching the nozzle to the frame before removing the marine tank's cap. But I never thought about a spark jumping from the plastic tank to the nozzle!

By reading this thread it sounds to me that maybe I should attach a ground clip to the portable tanks handle and the other end to a screw that's into the aluminum hull?

Why would the DVD that was very explicit of the dangers of gas pump fires while filling up not mention having to remove a plastic portable marine tank from the boat and place it on the ground.

Also, when filling up at a marina over many years I've yet to have anyone say to me that I have remove the tank first and place it on the dock before they can fill it.

Is this just an opinion of some posters or could someone link me to an article that specifically mentions this danger?

Thx
 

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

Is this just an opinion of some posters or could someone link me to an article that specifically mentions this danger?

Thx

Gas fumes settle. Fill it up in the boat, pick up bed, or trunk and where are all the fumes going to be? Add an ignition source and you've got a bomb.

Do it on the ground and you only have a small flash fire because the fumes are well dissipated.
 

jtexas

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

the reason for removing a portable tank for filling:

Marine tanks are vented to the atmosphere (as opposed to automotive, which are sealed in a way that I don't fully understand). As you add gas to the tank, it displaces the vapor that was in there.

With built-in tanks, the vapor is vented out of the boat.

With portable tanks, the vapor is vented into the boat. Just waiting for a spark from, say, a fuse blowing out, or an arc from a worn out switch or corroded battery terminal.

USCG guidelines for boatbuilders:
http://www.uscg.mil/d1/units/actny/pandc/comdtpub16761_3bStd4BackydBoatBldrs.pdf
 

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

(as opposed to automotive, which are sealed in a way that I don't fully understand).

They are not sealed just controlled. Wrong forum for that discussion.:)
 

jtexas

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

USCG guidelines on ventilation as it pertains to portable tanks on outboard powered boats (from page 30 of above-referenced document):
Except for compartments “open to the atmosphere,” a natural ventilation system must be provided for each compartment in a boat that –
...[some verbiage concerning inboard engines]...
- contains a fuel tank that vents into that compartment; or
- contains a non-metallic fuel tank.

“Open to the atmosphere” means a compartment that has at least 15 square inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each cubic foot of net compartment volume.

It goes on to describe what an acceptable "natural ventilation system" is in terms of ducting, etc.

I know these are more "general guidelines" than actual rules, but I complied when I designed my rear deck, making sure that it had as little area in the compartment as possible, and one side open to the atmosphere.

It's not really that restrictive - to get "net compartment volume", measure the area of the compartment and subtract the area taken up by the tank(s) and anything else in there. If it's a tight fit, you don't need much opening to adequately vent the fumes.

I thought they would object to having fuel tanks & batteries in the same compartment, but they don't - I guess if it's vented well enough that's all that matters. I partitioned off my battery compartment anyway.

On filling up without removing the tanks - I forgot to mention that, in my opinion, if you're trailering, you might just have enough time for fumes to dissipate before you get to the lake, in which case, you just have to evaluate the risk of spillage in the boat. That's the main reason I put my tanks on the ground to refuel.

[note to JCF, thanks - I knew there was a difference - it's gotten lots harder to fill those portable tanks since the stations have beefed up the vapor recapture systems (or whatever they're called]
 

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

i not trying to spen your money BUT a small plastic tank(11 gallon) for below deck install is only in the 115 dollar range
 

JCF350

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

[note to JCF, thanks - I knew there was a difference - it's gotten lots harder to fill those portable tanks since the stations have beefed up the vapor recapture systems (or whatever they're called]

Those things were originally developed (I think) because of the MTBE additive fumes would put some folks on the ground. Now days some places require them for vapor control during fill ups. My off topic comment was referencing the automotive methods of vapor control.
 

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Re: portable fuel tank as permenant tank??

My Lund has these vents cut into the tank enclosure area (see pic 31 in the link below, click to enlarge).

I would think most newer boats have the same.

Fumes would dissipate through those vents, so one can leave tank in boat while filling. I read no reference to portable tanks in the boat building article above.

When trailering boat I find it's a pain to have to jump into boat to fill it, so I just fill the tank while standing beside it.

How many times years ago, have you seen some schmuck filling his car's tank with a lit cig hanging from his yap . . . I always wanted to see one of them go up in flames :D
 
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