Possible first boat - is this a good deal?

Turbodawg

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(Cross-posting on the Bayliner forum as well, in case there are brand specific issues I need to be awere of. That said...)

OK, technically not my first boat. Had a 16' aluminum powerboat growing up, and sailboats more recently, but first boat in a long time.

I have an opportunity to pick up a 2005 Bayliner 195, 5.0L Merc w/ Alpha. Low hours on the engine (~300 hours), claims it is regularly maintained and winterized, bimini top...looks to be in good shape (going to see it in person soon).

They're asking $11,000, which is in line with the NADA, I believe.

Is this a good deal?
Anything I should be careful of, or check particularly well?

Thanks!
 

Philster

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Re: Possible first boat - is this a good deal?

If you are skilled with these tools and the techniques associated with them, then proceed with the tests you need to perform:

1) Hydrometer /Load tester
2) Compression gauge
3) Spark plug wrench
4) Large straight blade screwdriver
5) A set of ear muffs for the motor
6) A catch tray for lower unit grease

If not, and you can't analyze an engine and its oil, the lower unit and its oil, or an exhaust system and its soundness, and you aren't deft at spotting serious issues (like those that will require a new engine), then proceed to this:


Hire a marine surveyor; Get a Sea Trial and Survey

The seller has accepted your offer on a boat. You've lined up your financing. Now it's time for a sea trial to see how this boat handles and performs in the water. The seller usually provides the sea trial. Your broker will usually go with you on the sea trial to answer your questions.
A survey is your opportunity to find out any problems, see if everything works properly and determine the boat's condition. Buyers pay for the surveys and for hauling the boat out of the water for inspection.
If an unforeseen problem shows up during the survey, you might be able to negotiate it into the final price.
Use a marine surveyor.
Don't necessarily use a surveyor the seller has recommended - and don't rely on a survey report from the seller. The report might have been written before certain problems turned up in the boat.
Always use an independent surveyor, and always survey the boat in and out of the water. Marine surveyors inspect the boat in your interest and the interests of your lender and insurance company. Often your lender will designate a marine surveyor, and brokers have lists of marine surveyors approved by lenders and marine insurance companies.
You can also find marine surveyors by calling the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors (SAMS) at 1-800 344-9077, and the National Association of Marine Surveyors (NAMS) at 1-800 822-6267.
One word of caution - California has no occupational licensing standards for marine surveyors.
You should also ask an independent marine mechanic to inspect the engine.
Be there at the boat survey.
We recommend that you attend the survey to learn firsthand what condition the boat is in. It's the best time to ask the surveyor questions.
What to do with your sea trial and survey results?
One big reason for the survey Is to find out the current condition and market value of the boat you want to buy.
If the results reveal flaws and problems, the sea trial and survey may give you the opportunity to back out of a contract without penalty - or to negotiate repairs on the boat.
But be advised: If you're buying a boat at a rock-bottom price, or if the seller is in distress and is selling for below his market price, the sea trial and survey will not give you leverage to negotiate. The seller might not have funds for repairs and is selling as is, where is. The seller may insist that you pay any repair costs.
Your broker usually gives copies of the survey report to your lender and insurance carrier for their review. They'll want to know the boat's condition, its replacement value and the surveyor's determination of the boat's market value.
Keep in mind, though-surveys are no guarantee against hidden or undetected defects.
 

The Famous Grouse

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Re: Possible first boat - is this a good deal?

It would REALLY help to know your location. Boat prices vary wildly by region.

Also, condition really is everything. Most sellers both overestimate and overstate the condition of their boat as it relates to the average condition of boats of the same age. In otherwords, like intelligence, everyone thinks that they are above average.

For Minnesota and Wisconsin, I would consider that price to be high unless the boat is in excellent to near mint condition. But everything changes depending on condition and location.

Grou
 

Turbodawg

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Re: Possible first boat - is this a good deal?

Thanks, Philster - excellent info. I will look for a surveyor and also speak with the company that has been servicing the boat regarding the servicing intervals. The owner has already offered a sea trial, so that's not an issue.

I know Bayliner has its fans and critics - equally enthusiastic - but for our purposes and given that we are recreational boating newbies to some extent, it seems to be quite a lot of boat for the money.
 

Turbodawg

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Re: Possible first boat - is this a good deal?

It would REALLY help to know your location. Boat prices vary wildly by region.

Also, condition really is everything. Most sellers both overestimate and overstate the condition of their boat as it relates to the average condition of boats of the same age. In otherwords, like intelligence, everyone thinks that they are above average.

For Minnesota and Wisconsin, I would consider that price to be high unless the boat is in excellent to near mint condition. But everything changes depending on condition and location.

Grou

Sorry - meant to supply that. Coastal NC. Boating season is easily 8 mth/year, if not year-round. The boat condition *appears* to be excellent - will know for sure when I see it first hand. I guess I've been assuming it is, since I wouldn't spend that much on something that wasn't.
 

Philster

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Re: Possible first boat - is this a good deal?

Bayliners are fine when taken care of. The engines and outdrives are the same as all other hull makers. Performance-wise, they tend to be just fine in terms of handling, etc.

A disproportionate number of Bayliners fall into the hands of people who can afford the boat on paper, but fail in the real world because they lack time, skills and, ultimately, money.

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Re: Possible first boat - is this a good deal?

$11k for an '05 sounds high for TN, too. Check for deals at the local dealer before you take that one - sometimes when the dealers are hungry (and they are now), you can make a sweet deal this time of year. Otherwise, watch CL or Boattrader for a little bit and see what else sits in that same price range.
 

buckhorn7

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Re: Possible first boat - is this a good deal?

Last year I bought a beautiful 2002 Bayliner 195 Capri 4.3 for $9,000 in N. California. The boat had 18hrs. on it and not one scratch. t came with Escort Trailer with surge brakes, cover, canopy, skis, tube and ropes. The previous owner wanted 10k but I offered 9k and he took it. I have 75hrs. on it now and it's been great.
 
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