Power Upgrade - first run

nphilbro

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For what it's worth, I've posted before that I was getting a bit frustrated with the boat/motor performance I was getting from my Johnson 140 (good boat, good motor, not good together). Sluggish hole shot, trouble holding and sloppy plane at cruise speed, 4500 rpms required for hull cruise speed, poor/bad efficiency, taxing the motor.

I decided to power up to the max rating for this hull to the full 200hp. The difference was like night and day. This boat knows what she wants and she wanted this! Even though I still need to raise the motor another 4-5" (CMC 6x6 jackplate installed when I hung this) because the prop is buried, she found a comfortable plane at 23mph (gps) running 3200 rpms. We burned 6 gallons of fuel in 2 1/2 hours and logged 17 miles which included running extremely gas sucking WOT 5-6 times in 1/4 mile spurts after about an hour of easy break in (1k-3k variance just to open and lube everything with a 30minute shutdown before starting into the higher speeds). I did a lot of throttle up and back/on/off plane so there wasn't a really good barometer of actual cruising efficiency, just overall observation. I had to increase the fuel line from 3/16" to 5/16" ID at the dock because it would starve out at 5k rpms (I brought spare hose just in case). The prop is just a 14 1/2 x 19 aluminum. Room for improvement there too.

More top speed is not what I was seeking, but of course I checked it! Tonight we hit 45mph with ease. My guess is that after I raise the motor and dig the exhaust housing out of the water 50mph should be no sweat (but really never needed). Cruising performance should also pick up even more as I begin to figure out the more nuanced correct trim settings. I also ran the fuel/oil mix a bit rich (35/40:1 with Seafoam) so backing it off to 50:1 might have some affect too.

To say this boat now has more power is an understatement. I mean, when I throttled up from 1/4 to 1/2 it would push you right into the back of the seat (1500-3500)! It was extremely responsive. The hole shot was instant, to the point it was more than I would ever need or use and more than enough to get a big man up on one ski quickly (once or twice a year, maybe).

If I see the improvements tomorrow that I'm anticipating from raising the motor, is there a consensus on going to higher pitched prop, like a 21, to increase cruising efficiency even more (22-25 mph)? There is plenty of HP and torque now and I'm closing in on achieving a better ride. Obviously I don't want to bog the motor down but there seems to be a lot of headroom to play around with.

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1978 Evinrude 200hp
14 1/2 x 19 Aluminum Prop
19.9Ft Fiberglass
CMC 6" Jackplate Extension with 5 1/2" travel.
 

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Re: Power Upgrade - first run

Those v6 johnnierudes are nice arnt they.

My 150rude always seamed to have more lowend grunt that the big ol gas sicken worked over 200merc.

Congrats and good luck
 

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Re: Power Upgrade - first run

Well a 50% increase in displacement can do wonders.
 

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Re: Power Upgrade - first run

This is the first V6 I've run. It seems to be very forgiving and smooth. And QUIET compared it's little cuz the 140 V4. I had a feeling going to V6 was going to make a big difference on the hole shot, even a 150 was in consideration before I found this one.
 

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The 150 would have even better holeshot.
 

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Re: Power Upgrade - first run

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I'm on the lake right now. I raised the motor 3" and there is no difference in measured performance other than the hole shot is more touchy. The water skims right under the anti vent. I'm going to run a couple laps just to verify
 
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nphilbro

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Re: Power Upgrade - first run

3 Bears of trial and error.

I ran the plate back down to the center point and took it for a run. This time I still had decent hole shot but not the total neck breaking bite it did when the motor was on the lowest setting. For the most part it acted much like the other two getting up to speed, except this time I got 45mph with the canvas top up, two antennas, and 4 poles all perpendicular, in the rain.

Cruise RPM didn't change - 22mph at 3200rpm.

I might drop it just a tad if I run out of things to do (lol) or if saltwater changes the dynamic a lot.

Near the end of the day I was having idle forward carb issues- probably because I was also trying to run new fuel lines and making use of 4 different (older) gas cans (I should have filled the hull tank at the last gas station) so I became preoccupied with taking care of that (stabil and seafoam rule!).

There is no safe way on this lake to exceed 45 so I was just glad to see some of the headroom advantage moved up to the 3000+rpm range where it can be used more often

Anything from anyone on prop suggestions?
 

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Re: Power Upgrade - first run

If you're running the prop partially submerged the RAKER is a good choice, as is the Enertia. Both these props have a large rake in the blades and a lot of the cup is in the tips of the blades. Stiletto(3 blade) also performs well in that set up too. Don't bother with the OMC Viper, too much like a SS version of the Aluminum prop. Some will swear by the Laser and Laser II, the renegade etc.
 

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I need to run the prop fully dumped. When I used the full 6" of lift the water came exactly even with the AV plate but the performance was actually worse. I ran my last motor jacked about 2" high off the transom (but at the transom - no set back) and it was a marked improvement. I'm 3" above and 6" back now but the prop is buried. But come to think of it, I didn't check the proximity of the AV plate to the waterline on my last run today. I'll try to remember to look tomorrow. The prop never broke free with the middle setting, though.

This lake is only about 2 miles across the long way with a huge "no wake" zone on the west side so I only have moments to read the adjustments. It's not ideal but it's the nearest puddle and it beats failure in the tidal zone. Also, I'm not ready to let my boy drive WOT on a small, sometimes crowded, lake. Because of lightening all morning everyone was scared home and we had the whole place to ourselves this afternoon.
 

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Re: Power Upgrade - first run

Since you aren't worried about maxing out WOT having more lower unit in the water and running an alum prop shouldn't be that big of a deal. So, why worry about it. I am surprised your 200 will operate off a 5/16 fuel line. Merc runs that on their midrange engines like my 90 and use 3/8 for the larger engines.

Mark
 

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Being that the 150 and the 200 have the same displacement, to make the higher hp, the rpm range where the engine is producing peak torque is higher. This is done with higher ports, larger carbs. Moving the powerband to a higher rpm range has a consequence of reducing low end torque. The 200 makes more power at higher rpm, but has less torque than the 150 at lower rpm. In 4 stroke comparision, think of the porting as a camshaft. One can use a cam, heads, small valves, and that engine has a smooth idle, decent accelleration even with 2.73 gearing. Replace the cam with another with more lift and duration, better flowing heads, huge intake and carb. Now the engine make loads more power at high rpm, will not idle below 1500 rpm. With the same 2.73 gears accelleration is nonexistant and it needs 5.11 gears and a high stall converter to get the engine into the rpm range where it can do its magic.
 

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"I had to increase the fuel line from 3/16" to 5/16" ID at the dock because it would starve out at 5k rpms"

That motor require a 3/8" ID hose. Also it looks kinda like there is a 90* fitting in the incoming fuel line, if so you might want to get that out of the line. That motor doesn't like anything that can be or is a fuel restriction.
 

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I need to run the prop fully dumped. When I used the full 6" of lift the water came exactly even with the AV plate but the performance was actually worse. I ran my last motor jacked about 2" high off the transom (but at the transom - no set back) and it was a marked improvement. I'm 3" above and 6" back now but the prop is buried. But come to think of it, I didn't check the proximity of the AV plate to the waterline on my last run today. I'll try to remember to look tomorrow. The prop never broke free with the middle setting, though.

This lake is only about 2 miles across the long way with a huge "no wake" zone on the west side so I only have moments to read the adjustments. It's not ideal but it's the nearest puddle and it beats failure in the tidal zone. Also, I'm not ready to let my boy drive WOT on a small, sometimes crowded, lake. Because of lightening all morning everyone was scared home and we had the whole place to ourselves this afternoon.

Hello fellow Washingtonian,witch lake are you talking about?We usually hit lake Tapps.
 

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Hello fellow Washingtonian,witch lake are you talking about?We usually hit lake Tapps.

It was just 'lil Tanwax by Eatonville. I can moor it for $5 a night. Granted, I have to give my boat a chemical batch to get the color back when I'm done! Tapps gets bit to crazy for me with the mobs of partiers and there's always the logs and stuff I worry about. Musky fishing close to home, though!
 

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"I had to increase the fuel line from 3/16" to 5/16" ID at the dock because it would starve out at 5k rpms"

That motor require a 3/8" ID hose. Also it looks kinda like there is a 90* fitting in the incoming fuel line, if so you might want to get that out of the line. That motor doesn't like anything that can be or is a fuel restriction.

That's what I thought. But in second guessing, I thought, geez if OMC can run a 200 off a 5/16 and Merc needs a 3/8 how did OMC get that kind of engine fuel efficiency? Ha!

Mark
 

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Re: Power Upgrade - first run

In this photo I ran the fuel directly to a tank under the splashwell running the hose over the splashwell and had no problems with fuel delivery. I see the bend radius you're talking about (I think) and that's the TNT cable assy. I'll have everything running back to the main tank via the water separator in a couple of days. The line coming up from the the main tank to the water separator is currently 3/16 rigid marine fuel line I have to replace which also requires I bore out a larger fuel line access hole.
 
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