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[cheburashka]

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Absolute Bullchit! You were correct in your opening statement. It's the Liberal feel good, any thing goes, let's be kind and diverse attitude that got this problem where it is today. Commerce will be well served when all of the people conducting it speak the language of the land. For those who choose not to, should plain and simple look for somewhere else to live. When they choose to retain their langauge and demand that we comply, they do not make good Americans.

This is America, it is not a North American Union. We have qualities and character that have set us apart from the rest of the world since our inception. It is you Libs that would dilute those qualities and send us into mediocraty.

All cultures that have made up this county have contributed to it. They simply did not have the capacity to bleed the treasury dry and demand that certain portions of this country revert to the ownership of the land that cannot support them. Wake up, we either lock down the borders or we cease to be a nation.

I'm not getting into arguments of whether we should lock down the borders, although I do think that would make it hard for liberals like Walmart to get their floors scrubbed at night so that they can continue to provide you with a clean place to channel all of your money into China. That's a different argument. I'm talking language here.

It isn't liberals. It's businesses. Let's take B of A for example. Their latest niche market is illegal aliens. Really. Does that make them liberals? Nope. It makes them a business with conservative values. They want to increase their market share, and they have no principles when it comes to increasing that share. Liberalism is all about applying moral principles to issues like governance and business. B of A is a pretty immoral company. You don't like the fact that you have to press a button to get English. I don't like the fact that after I activate my credit card, I have to wait on the line while some machine tries to sell me a "service" that I'm not interested in and won't take "no" for an answer. Is that liberals too? Nope. Once again, it's businesses trying to make as much money as they can by inconveniencing their main customer base.

Get it straight. You dislike liberals because they want to take care of people who you think are unworthy of being taken care of. Businesses aren't interested in taking care of anyone. They're interested in getting money out of them. Both policies might encourage bilingualism, but you can't blame both on liberals.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Some of you guys need to travel more.

I was thankful the ATMs in Thailand, Brunei, Hong Kong, and China had an option for english.

In Thailand, the default message when you call a cell phone that has been disconnected is in Thai and English.

In many countries I traveled in, even the road signs are in host langauge and in english. Think of the expense for that one.

Having multiple langauges doesnt hurt, but the default language (or first langauge spoken) should be that of the host country.

I dont have a problem with the press nothing for english, press 1 for spanish.

Ken

 

[OldMercsRule]

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I'm not getting into arguments of whether we should lock down the borders, although I do think that would make it hard for liberals like Walmart to get their floors scrubbed at night so that they can continue to provide you with a clean place to channel all of your money into China. That's a different argument. I'm talking language here.

Very good start Che, hard to directly take issue with individual points you skillfully make, with a twist of humor, but deeper in this post you'll get the debate your trollin' for. I for one, do respect your obvious skill with the written word.

It isn't liberals. It's businesses. Let's take B of A for example. Their latest niche market is illegal aliens. Really. Does that make them liberals? Nope. It makes them a business with conservative values.

Too far. You are an admitted Liberal. What basis do you have to make an acurate judement about: "Cornservative values"? Real tricky Che, but does not fly here on iboats dc. Please don't whine and snivel and tell us you'll leave because you finally found a point of contention with your well choosen words.

They want to increase their market share, and they have no principles when it comes to increasing that share.

No debate here either, (although I dispute the no principles statement). Only a Liberal mind reader would know that with certianty, the rest of us can only speculate.

Liberalism is all about applying moral principles to issues like governance and business.

Wow, just because we did not take you on previously does not mean we are nappin' here. Let's just examine this last lil' snippit. Liberalism is about moral principals in governace ya say: only in yer dreams.

#1 Liberals forced the withdrawal of our armed forces in Vietnam, and totally cut off our former allies from all support that lead to over 3,000,000 deaths of our allies that counted on OUR, (the USA's) specific security commitments. I guess that is an example from recent history of Liberal moral principals eh Che?

Lets try another historical example from recent history.

#2 Abortion on demand. There are no more vulnerable citizens or I guess Liberals refer to them as a "fetus" in modern society then the unborn or newly born babies. Nearly every Democrat and Liberal demands the RIGHT to drill a hole in the skull of a baby comming down the birth canal for the convienance of the mother. It's called partial birth abortion. I am not a big one for pushing for the state to dictate what it citizens do, as I prefer personal responsibility. That said Liberals hardly have a high moral ground here.

#3 Public school monopoly. Buy any measure the US school system has more money then any other system on the planet, yet the actual results are some of the worst in the world. Liberals and Democrats work very hard to maintain the monopoly, and deny the intercity folks the ability to take a voutcher of their tax education dollars to far superior private schools. That's moral in yer eyes: I guess?

The common thread to all Liberal "governing" adjendas seems to be: corntrol. If a rational person cornsiders LBJ's "Great Society" it is hard to cornclude that welfare and the related nanny government programs do anything but keep an underclass of dependent dim wits, (forced to send their kids to terrible public schools), that seem to vote for Liberal Democrats to increase the flow of income redistributed milk from the government ***. Nothing to do with morals Che, that's just the smoke yer side spews ta keep corntrol. We get it, and we're not nappin'!!

Morals and business? Nah! Business is not about morality at all, that's just another sceme to corntrol all things.

B of A is a pretty immoral company.

How would you know that? Real good at mind readin'? Or do you just hate business n' luv Fidel?

You don't like the fact that you have to press a button to get English. I don't like the fact that after I activate my credit card, I have to wait on the line while some machine tries to sell me a "service" that I'm not interested in and won't take "no" for an answer. Is that liberals too? Nope. Once again, it's businesses trying to make as much money as they can by inconveniencing their main customer base.

No Che, they are jus' sellin' things, no mind readin' necessary.

Get it straight. You dislike liberals because they want to take care of people who you think are unworthy of being taken care of.

Ya talkin' to Boom? Ya mind readin' again? He may not like Liberals, (or more likely their ideas), cause he lives on the Left coast like I do, and he is just North of a major blue city called Portland. I'll bet Boom has no problems with Liberals: as people, (as I know I don't), he just thinks their ideas are junk that's all!! Fer myself: I like people to be encouraged to take care of themselves, not be encouraged to look fer nanny government handouts n' vote fer Lib Dems that corntinue to pass out my hard earned tax dollars to hook victims. Real simple if ya can get past the temptation to mind read and project: Che!

Businesses aren't interested in taking care of anyone. They're interested in getting money out of them. Both policies might encourage bilingualism, but you can't blame both on liberals.

Gonna leave this last one lay: Che. You are good with yer words, but terrible at mind readin', (give it up: please). It's better to speak fer yerself not project nasty thoughts on others. Respectfully JR

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Any business that panders to illegals is immoral, IMHO.....
So sorry, but greed is at the root of every corp......
Customer satisfaction is just a nasty byproduct.....
If the customer is satisfied, that means you are not cutting enough corners to boost profit!....
Shall I go on?.......​

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Any business that panders to illegals is immoral, IMHO.....
So sorry, but greed is at the root of every corp......
Customer satisfaction is just a nasty byproduct.....
If the customer is satisfied, that means you are not cutting enough corners to boost profit!....
Shall I go on?.......​

You do have an awfull cynical view of business that I don't share: Bro. Is that how you do business? I do not! JR

 

[12Footer]

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Me either.. If the customer isn't happy, I will be panhandling in short order.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Me either.. If the customer isn't happy, I will be panhandling in short order.

Agreed, I can't figure me Bro out on that last post. Why is "customer satisfaction" a "nasty by product"? If I can't satisfy me clients, I have no reason to be in business. I don't rip off anyone, and I would sure never buy stock in a business that knowingly did that either. Properly cornducted business is Win Win! JR

 

[cheburashka]

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Gonna leave this last one lay: Che. You are good with yer words, but terrible at mind readin', (give it up: please). It's better to speak fer yerself not project nasty thoughts on others. Respectfully JR

Murky, why is it that you have to beat around the bush and nitpick point by point when you know that at the core of things, you and I are pretty much in agreement?

If you weren't so busy disagreeing with me because I'm liberal, you'd recognize that I'm dealing with objective definitions of conservatism and liberalism. Conservatives value the whole above the individual. Liberals value the individual above the whole. Businesses would rather have the entire entity profit at the cost of a few dissatisfied customers. That's conservative thinking. It's also good business sense.

Unlike some people on this forum, I can use words like "liberal" without thinking it's synonymous with "everything that's good" or "everything that's evil." I can use "conservative" in the same way. I can make an argument about conservatism without automatically assuming that there's something wrong with the philosophy.

In the end, my point was that businesses support other languages because they don't care that you're offended, and they love the extra money they get. That has nothing to do with liberals and everything to do with good business sense, which seems to align better with conservative values than liberal ones.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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I'm sorry, I was talking about BIG OIL in particular......
Most corporations are soulless ghouls, though....​

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Murky, why is it that you have to beat around the bush and nitpick point by point when you know that at the core of things, you and I are pretty much in agreement?

I don't believe we do agree on the core things: Che! We are both fairly good with words and there is substantial agreement, (especially in some of yer statements about business).

If you weren't so busy disagreeing with me because I'm liberal, you'd recognize that I'm dealing with objective definitions of conservatism and liberalism.

You are a very sharp and informed Liberal, I have nothing against impressive Liberals like you, I like 'em n' enjoy debatin' 'em!! Please carefully read me words not me brain cell!!

Conservatives value the whole above the individual.

180 degrees wrong, (IMHO). Cornservatives, (modern American: Mr. Word Smith), value individual responsibility!

Liberals value the individual above the whole.

180 degrees wrong again, (IMHO). Liberals, (modern American), are the first to claim victimhood and transfer personal private property and income to nanny government!

Businesses would rather have the entire entity profit at the cost of a few dissatisfied customers. That's conservative thinking. It's also good business sense.

Minor dissagreement here, business would actually like 100% customer satisfaction, but realistically accept the real world fact that it is hard to be all things to all people. You are very sharp about yer business philosophy: Che!

Unlike some people on this forum, I can use words like "liberal" without thinking it's synonymous with "everything that's good" or "everything that's evil."

Me too: agreed!!

I can use "conservative" in the same way. I can make an argument about conservatism without automatically assuming that there's something wrong with the philosophy.

Agree again!

In the end, my point was that businesses support other languages because they don't care that you're offended, and they love the extra money they get.

They actually do care but can't be all things to all people. Your previous post admitted that so I doubt you will dissagree here. Real world: please as many as possible to maximize revinues and profit, and try not to make powerfull enemies that might cost ya money, (Lawyers Lib or Cornservative). Business is neutral on politics, they just want want clean profit.

That has nothing to do with liberals and everything to do with good business sense, which seems to align better with conservative values than liberal ones.

Don't think most business is about politics at all. You are very impressive: please stay! JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

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I'm sorry, I was talking about BIG OIL in particular......
Most corporations are soulless ghouls, though....​

Thought you were jus' bein' a lil' too tricky with yer slow Bro! Glad you reserve yer ire fer: Big Oil, (how about Big Pharma, n' Big Insurance N' Big Tobacco)? JR

 

[cheburashka]

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Don't think most business is about politics at all. You are very impressive: please stay! JR

Only way I'm staying is if there's something interesting to post. Your previous post is the same tedious "Oh no, there's nothing good about liberalism and everything good about conservatism" claptrap. You counter my objectivity with more bias--a sign of intellectual weakness. Perhaps you need one of your coveted naps to sharpen up.

Here's a test--can you objectively state the difference between liberalism and conservatism without relying on your own definition of which one is a more suitable philosophy?

 

[RubberFrog]

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Here's a test--can you objectively state the difference between liberalism and conservatism without relying on your own definition of which one is a more suitable philosophy?

Since when do we answer to? Don't you have some quiche to eat?

 

[cheburashka]

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Since when do we answer to? Don't you have some quiche to eat?

I didn't think you could answer my question. Tell you what. You go back to listening to Savage, O'Reilley, Hannity and Colmes hanging up on anyone they can't outmaneuver in an argument, and you won't have to worry about little old me. Radio is much safer than the internet anyway. You don't have to think to enjoy it.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Sounds like that is the reason you don't enjoy the internet.

 

[cheburashka]

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Gee, that must be why they call you the funniest conservative on the forum. Really witty turn there.

Here--let me write some material for you at no charge--

"I'm rubberfrog, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."

That seems to be right up your alley.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Only way I'm staying is if there's something interesting to post. Your previous post is the same tedious "Oh no, there's nothing good about liberalism and everything good about conservatism" claptrap.

Please read my words and specifically cite where I EVER said that.

You counter my objectivity with more bias--a sign of intellectual weakness.

I only have one brain cell: ya know! Objectivily is in the eye of the beholder, don't get toooooooo full of yerself here.

Perhaps you need one of your coveted naps to sharpen up.

Good idea!

Here's a test--can you objectively state the difference between liberalism and conservatism without relying on your own definition of which one is a more suitable philosophy?

Modern American Liberalism/Democrat party:

LAWS ARE MADE TO BE BROKEN, (Ted Kennedy, in fact the entire family, Rep Jefferson, Barney Frank, Judge (now Rep) Hastings, Bill n' Hillary Clinton), n' that just off the top o' me head. They constantly search fer Victims, (any kind, color or gender so keep the borders open by all means)!!!! Best if the group is perceived to have some sort of disadvantage, (sob sob) so they can appeal to their dim wit public school educated (experts on all aspects of homosexuality) supporters' feelings (not their intelect as they surely don't know the corncept of critical thinkin')!!! N' pass laws to forcefully take money, (tax), from the productive parts of society, n' keep some fer their own PACs n' pet projects, n' relatives n' supporters, (that's BIG Taxes fer a BIG n' GROWIN NANNY GOVERNMENT) and feed a few crumbs to the victims to keep 'em dependent so they vote fer more DEMS n' more government perks. They claim to "feel yer pain", but they want POWER over all parts of yer life. When they figure out how to tax n' corntrol every breath ya take: LOOK OUT. The Cornstatution, (that livin' breathin' document that Joe Biden n' others speak of) gets in their way that why they need the tyrants in black robes to ignore the plain language of the 20 page document and create more government. They always seem to blame America first for all the worlds' problems and openly work with our enemies. They call our troops names and liken them to storm troopers, (**** Durban) or terrorists, (John F Kerry). They luv Fidel, (Sen Chris Dodd), n' Hugo (Cindy Sheehan, Danny Glover, n' Harry Belefonte), n' hate George Bush. They look for any potential BIG DEAL ta scare ya to transfer MORE n' MORE power; GLOBAL WARMIN'. 'cause they don't think critical thoughts they ignore the largest variable: THE SUN. I could go on and on, but you get the picture!!

Modern American Cornservatives: OBAY THE LAW. Small government, minimal taxes, tight borders, strong national defence, personal responsibility, private charity, (Cornservatives give lots to private charities, Libs do their good works with your tax dollars). I'm leaving in a few so I did not have time to do this post justice.

I'm sure you will not like what I said here so leave if ya can't take the heat that comes with defending Liberals. Respectfully, JR

 

[RubberFrog]

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So it's only fair play when you do it.

Typical liberal with double standards. Don't you have a gay marriage to perform or maybe some babies to abort?

 

[cheburashka]

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Yawwwn.

I've skipped your tirade about liberals, since it's about as objective as Fox News covering a NAMBLA parade.

As to your characterization of Conservatives:

OBAY THE LAW.

Nope. Unless you can demonstrate that there's a corresponding belief in liberals that we should not obey laws, then you lose. As a liberal, I obey laws. I do so far better than most of the conservatives in my neighborhood.

Small government, minimal taxes, tight borders, strong national defence,

Now you're getting somewhere. These are indeed conservative values, which are countered by the liberal values of governmental involvement in social issues, taxation to fund responses to social issues, and a belief that issues at home take precedence over "defending" our country by getting involved in wars overseas. You just might be able to get some of the true differences between liberals and conservatives.

personal responsibility, private charity, (Cornservatives give lots to private charities, Libs do their good works with your tax dollars).

Oops. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. Soros, the Gates Foundation etc. all show that liberals are just as caught up in private charity. And when it comes to "personal responsibility" you've got to realize you're blowing smoke. Scooter Libby? **** Cheney? Both liberals and conservatives believe in personal responsibility. They simply define it differently.

I'm leaving in a few so I did not have time to do this post justice.

That's OK. There were nine words that were worthwhile.

 

[RubberFrog]

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I've skipped your tirade about liberals, since it's about as objective as Fox News covering a NAMBLA parade.

No need to read his posts any further folks... he hung himself with his own rope. Here we have chenurnobyl decrying the poor treatment that NAMBLA receives at the hands of Fox news. If only cheburnobyl was in charge, he would pass laws to help NAMBLA....