Problems again 85hp Force

[Plainolelow]

Me again, this is getting crazy. I havent fixed the starting problem yet but have encountered a new problem that has to be fixed 1st. for those that was helping I still am not sure if I am getting spark but I think i got a short or something somewhere. heres what happened. <br /><br />I tried to start the boat but i got a click and that was it this morning. The battery is new and charged. So i checked the starter connections. I took the starter off to tighten the stud that runs up in the bottom of it up( somehow it came loose). So i put it back on and i still get a click. I then noticed some smoke coming off my battery terminal and I cant figure this out. My buddy said he is pretty sure it is a short or ground out some where but where could it be . I started testing for power to wires while the battery was disconnected completly and did find that this wire was still saying it had power. No

now there is nothing connected to the battery at all so is this right? Also its only when I turn the key that the smoke happens? Please any suggestions at what to try or do. Thanks to all so much you all have helped me aot the pst few weeks.

 

[eurolarva]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

When you say turn the key to you mean to the on postition or to the start position? It could be a short anywhere but if it happens during the start postion my guess is your starter brushes are worn and grounding out. Try disconnecting the starter from the solenoid and see if it happens again. It is better to have a volt meter set to dc on the battery when doing this. That way if it creates a short you will see the battery voltage drop down to around 10 volts and you can turn the key off. If the problem does not exist with starter disconnected I would get it checked or rebuild the starter.

 

[Plainolelow]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

The starter is brand new, do you think it could still be it? Sorry I didnt explain the key better but yes it happens when i go to start the boat nothing happens when it just sits in the on postion. Think the stud in the bottom of the starter coming lose may have messed somethig up? Im learning as I go about the boat so its some crazy stuff

 

[eurolarva]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

Disconnect starter from solenoid. Verify the wire from the neutral interlock switch is not grounded with an ohm meter. Also check the other two positions on the solenoid to verify neither are grounded. If none are grounded then attempt the start position with the starter removed. Hook a volt meter to ground and on DC volts. Put the red lead on the solenoid contacts and verify you are getting 12 volts on both the big leads on the solenoid and you should also be getting 12 volts on the wire going to the solenoid from the interlock switch ( you will probably need someone to turn the key for you). If nothing sizzles or shorts out there is still a good chance something is wrong with the starter or the way you have it mounted in the motor. If the starter is good then one of the leads is somehow touching ground creating a short. I dont know about force but chryslers use the body of the starter for the ground and a big lug for the positive voltage. You want to verify that this wire is not touching the body of the starter other wise you are shorting it out.<br /><br />Good luck

 

[Formula1974]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

sounds like something wrong with the starter. im not familiar with your other posts. Has it been cranking with the new starter and now just recently stopped or has it not cranked since you put the new starter on?

 

[self taut]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

have an 85 hp force as well.mine did that hat trick.try cleaning the batt terminals and conectors to a nice shine and make sure they are good and tight and try again.worked for mine. as for that post on the bottom of the starter. it should not come loose.it is insulated by rubber bushings. if it has come loose it may have forced one of those bushings to the side and is hitting the housing there.

 

[tyco kid]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

Originally posted by Fosterz:<br /> Me again, this is getting crazy. I havent fixed the starting problem yet but have encountered a new problem that has to be fixed 1st. for those that was helping I still am not sure if I am getting spark but I think i got a short or something somewhere. heres what happened. <br /><br />I tried to start the boat but i got a click and that was it this morning. The battery is new and charged. So i checked the starter connections. I took the starter off to tighten the stud that runs up in the bottom of it up( somehow it came loose). So i put it back on and i still get a click. I then noticed some smoke coming off my battery terminal and I cant figure this out. My buddy said he is pretty sure it is a short or ground out some where but where could it be . I started testing for power to wires while the battery was disconnected completly and did find that this wire was still saying it had power. No

now there is nothing connected to the battery at all so is this right? Also its only when I turn the key that the smoke happens? Please any suggestions at what to try or do. Thanks to all so much you all have helped me aot the pst few weeks.

 

[tyco kid]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

IF i had to bet i would say the starter is burned out.. this is a common thing and i have gone thru three startes in the 10 years i have had force motors. This is especialy true if you have been cranking it heavily trying to make it start.

 

[SlowlySinking]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

Hi, if you're looking for suggestions here's mine, remove one end of the fat red cable connecting the starter relay to the starter and wrap a rag around it so it doesn't short to the engine, then turn the key to start, you should hear the starter relay click, try it several times, then hold the key in start position for as long as it took to have the battery terminal smoke, if it clicks and the smoking battery terminal also goes away then the starter is bad or shorted internally. At this point you got nothing to lose, if you're mechanically inclined take it apart, it's possibly the bolt that came loose is shorting. Good luck. PS: nice picture,,

 

[Oldsaltydog]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

Place your fully charged battery by the motor. Use heavy jumper cables. Attach the red cable to the positive stud on the starter (disconnect the original wire) and the other end to the positive pole of the battery. Attach the black negative cable-end to the battery and the other end to a good ground on the motor block. There might be some sparks at this stage, but that is normal. If the starter turns fine, you have a wiring problem someplace. If it does not, your starter needs rebuilding or replacement.

 

[novicetech]

Re: Problems again 85hp Force

I dont know if this will help, but i had a chrysler 70 hp that had a similar problem, it turned out to be a bad ground connection, and the connection from the starter bracket to the motor block on your motor looks alittle corroded to me.