procraft stringers and deck

trans80

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boat is a 1987 procraft 1950.owned it for one year.anyway i am reading all kinds of horror stories about rotted stringers and decks.i was wondering if anyone has some knowledge or info on this make of boat about the transom and stringers.my boat does have one soft spot in the rear by the livewell and also takes on water while out.i always pump it out and park it on a grade. there is a center storage compartment in the deck for skies but i dont notice any wood stringers,just a humped up glob of fiberlass running the lenght of the boat.is there wood in there and how do i inspect them?
 

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Re: procraft stringers and deck

hey trans welcome aboard !

im suprised no ones answered you yet.

but here we go....

i have never heard of that kind of boat ...but thats not unnasual..lots of boat makers out there...so i cant say good or bad ...but uasually its the owner thats bad..not the boat....but thats another thread.....

the water coming in the boat..if its an i/o could be from any where.....we'll check that later

a "soft spot" in the floor...means its rotten....period....

best get it looked after soon before rot eats your boat. all the drying out in the world wont stop it.

the fiberglass "hump" you see is more than likely a stringer...they are wood (uasually) encased in fiberglass....on the other side of that "hump"....is uasually foam.....it is there in case the boat sinks...it wont totally sink and give you somthing to hang on to till someone happens by...thats called swamped.....boats over 20 feet aren't required to have foam.

what happens in a boat is......water gets into that foam...and rots out the stringers...and the transom....the back of the boat.

if that happens...the boat is in dire need of a "re-fit"...or restoration...or the scrap yard.

what you need to do is see how bad the rot is...

first of all...lets check the foam.....go to the soft spot...and using a hole saw...(on your drill) cut a one inch hole in the floor....take a pvc pipe and cut two "teeth" in it...twist it thru the hole and take a core sample.
is the foam wet?...at all?...some water but "not bad"...is way too much....come back here and search... "foam replacement"

if there is no water at all...put the core sample back in....

next.....take a small drill bit...and drill into the "hump"....(stringer)....not all the way thru ...the wood in the drill bit is your core sample....see if the wood is wet...if it is ...its stringer time...come here and search stringer replacement....if its not..(drill several areas to be sure).....seal the holes with 5200 or epoxy. and move on to
the next step...

next go to the back of the boat and give a sharp rap on it....if you hear a dull thud....not good....
if you can get into the transom....do the same thing with a drill bit...dont go all the way thru.......do this in a few places....mainly near where ever there is a thru hull opening...if you find the wood is dry...seal as before...if its wet...it may be transom time...search transom repair

whan youve done all that.....rip up the floor in the bad area...and replace it with the same thickness..pressure treated dryed plywood...fiber glass over that and replace the carpet......

if wet in any of the areas mentioned...get back here and hit the search button ....start reading....then post here with pic's if you can so we can see what is going on and help you decide what to do about it.

thats a start....we'll get to the water comin in after you check that stuff.

cheers
oops
 

trans80

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Re: procraft stringers and deck

checked the transom today and it seems pretty solid to me.doesnt flex when i lift on the motor and sounds solid while hitting it with the handle of a screwdriver.i will pull the carpet and start diggin more.thanks for the reply oops. thought there would be some procraft gurus out there.
 
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Re: procraft stringers and deck, feel your pain

Re: procraft stringers and deck, feel your pain

Procraft is (or was) manufactured in Tennessee. I have a 1985 Procraft bass boat with a 50 HP Mercury. I bought it early last summer to take my boys fishing and to bond, while we completed the many necessary repairs, including rotten bottom. The boys and I comleted the urgently needed repairs and got it in shape to fish by laying a piece of plywood over the rotten deck. Fished all summer and had fun. When cold weather arrived I put it in garage to start the difficult repairs that we had procrastinated on. That is when the boys disappeared! Deck was rotten in front of cockpit and in stern storage area. I optomistically assumed that I would have to replace the rotten plywood but that it would be fairly easy. I was wrong! The rear 1/3 of two of the three stringers were so rotten that grubs were living in them. I had to cut the cockpit out of the boat, remove the entire deck, chisel out the stringers and replace. It has been a monumental job and I am only now seeing light at the end of the tunnel. Had I recognized the extent of the needed repairs, I would never have purchased the boat.

There were a number of big problems in this boat that your boat may share. 1. As far as I could tell, none of the wood in the boat was sealed or encapsulated, except for the stringers and they were partially encapsulated by the glass that held them in place.
2. The foam "floatation" was made of the same foam that florists use to hold water in floral arrangements. Yes, that's right, they used open-cell water-holding foam for "floatation" and this foam was holding water against the stringers. My guess is that the boat would have sunk within 30 minutes if swamped. Nearly all of the foam below the deck was still saturated after sitting in my garage for a month.
3. The cockpit had several drainage holes in the upper surface that drained water directly into the horizontal foam below the decks.
4. The part of the cockpit which holds the livewell has no drainage into the bilge. So water from any livewell leaks or spashes sat under the cockpit until it soaked through into the foam.
5. They fastened the plywood mat and the deck to the stringers with hundreds of staples. These staples created multiple pathways for water to enter the stringers.

I have removed all the open cell foam I could reach and replaced it with styrofoam and the expanding sealing foam like you can buy from Home Depot. I have replaced the deck with plywood and glassed over it. I will put another layer of glass on top of that to add strength. I have painted all the plywood that I put into the boat and all the existing plywood (that I didn't have to replace) with polyester resin thinned with acetone.

I am currently in the process of re-attaching the cockpit, and like everything else I have done on this boat, it is more difficult and is taking much longer than I expected. On the bright side, the transom seems to be rock solid.

You didn't say how water was getting into your boat. My boat has FOUR through-hulls. Two of which so were brittle that they broke off when I gave the hoses a tug. I will replace all of the through-hulls before I put it back in the water.

I would be glad to share any lessons learned.
 

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Re: procraft stringers and deck

Plastic thru-hulls don't seem to last. I ended up removing mine, overdrilling, and installing new ones, with 4200 sealing the larger hole, especially in the transom.
The idiot that had the boat was a silicone caulk junkie.
 

trans80

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Re: procraft stringers and deck

i am pretty sure water is coming from the thru hulls on mine as well.i dont use the livewells but im sure they are leaking.the booat will take on about 2 gallons of water while out for maybe 5 hours. i did also notice on the keel where the boat rides the rollor on the trailer is worn to the glass with very small pin holes in about a five inch section.can this be epoxied?
 

Coors

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Re: procraft stringers and deck

Can you get access to that area from the inside?
 

trans80

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Re: procraft stringers and deck

sadly no. im going to take up the deck to replace it and inspect the rest.i should be able to get to it then
 

Coors

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Bummer, epoxy will work on the outside, but you really need to see from the inside, in order to reinforce correctly.
 

trans80

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Re: procraft stringers and deck

thought so. guess ill find out soon enough. what model is your boat? wondering how close it is to mine
 
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Re: procraft stringers and deck

Trans80,
My Procraft is a 1510. It is a small version of the standard bass boat and has casting platforms fore and aft.

If the gelcoat on parts of your keel is missing, that means that you have water getting into the layup. If your boat sits in the water for extended periods, that may cause problems. If the layup is mostly intact and the damage on the keel is limited to the loss of gel coat, you can replace the gel coat from underneath the boat. I have several spots on the bottom of mine where the gel coat has been knocked off. I have been patching them intermittantly while resin on the multiple repairs inside the boat are curing. Boater's world has thickened gel coat in various sized cans that is reasonably easy to apply from underneath the boat. They also have both types (air inhibited and non-air inhibited). I prefer the second type for most repairs because it will cure fully without having to add PVA or wax or covering it with plastic (which makes it easier for small repairs).

If the layup is damaged to the point that you have to structurally reinforce it from the inside, that is going to be a pretty significant job.
 
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