Prop question

dude11

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Hi fellows,I got a quickie question for you.What is the "ring" called that snaps around a Johnson prop...9.9hp.1978.??It has something to do with water turning back into inside void of the prop.I've read something about it maybe here on iboats,but I can't find it again.It's plastic,I would think,snaps around the back of prop,and if you can just purchase one without buying a new prop??thax in advance.
 

bilge rat jim

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OMC calls it a "converging ring", and yes, they are available as a separate part. For your prop, it should be OMC part# 0332395, about 10 bucks. Double check that part # with your prop before ordering.
 

dude11

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OMC calls it a "converging ring", and yes, they are available as a separate part. For your prop, it should be OMC part# 0332395, about 10 bucks. Double check that part # with your prop before ordering.
Thank you Jim..
 

dude11

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Ok,now that I know what it is__how important is it,to be intact?? Reason I ask is,mines mia.All I read is that without it,the foot would drain junk on the floor?So does it wash out inside of the prop while your running?
 

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Back when the OMC's first SS prop came out (1973 as I recall as I bought one for a 125 Johnny) it was black teflon coated with a brass convergence ring pressed on. Saw quite a few 85-125 engines running without them, obviously knocked off by stumps and all fishing the stickups. Never heard one way or the other.

Problem with thru hub exhausts is to keep the propellers from sucking in the exhaust and causing ventilation. Sooooo, if you aren't having a ventilation problem then I wouldn't worry about. Who knows it may have been a precautionary measure and no body knows if needed and if so, under what circumstances.

Mark
 

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Merc flares their props a bit, instead of installing a ring such as the one you have. Newer modular props for Johnson and Merc share the Merc-style prop shape (no convergence ring), regardless of which motor they are installed.
 

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Merc flares their props a bit, instead of installing a ring such as the one you have. Newer modular props for Johnson and Merc share the Merc-style prop shape (no convergence ring), regardless of which motor they are installed.

I think Merc either had the flare patented, or OMC just wanted to be different for namesake. I go with the patent as today you don't have the ring; course other factors could come into play. Also the question on their Teflon coating. Was it because they used less nickel in their SS making it more prone to rusting and obviously cost less to produce, or was it too an identity thing as they don't use it either today. Who knows. Someone operating in salt water where the engine had been operated in sand and wore the teflon off would have the evidence to clear that up.

Some mfgrs just extended the barrel and left it straight.

Mark
 

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Problem with thru hub exhausts is to keep the propellers from sucking in the exhaust and causing ventilation. Sooooo, if you aren't having a ventilation problem then I wouldn't worry about. Who knows it may have been a precautionary measure and no body knows if needed and if so, under what circumstances.

Mark
I guess I should have said in begining,,I've not ran this motor on my boat as of yet (Small time in barrel) I'm going thru it first;carb.rebuild,new fuel pump & lines,impeller,etc.So I don't know about the sucking exhaust thing yet.BTW do you mind explaning what that does.I've only fooled with small motors.This is the first one with thru exh.thax
 

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I guess I should have said in begining,,I've not ran this motor on my boat as of yet (Small time in barrel) I'm going thru it first;carb.rebuild,new fuel pump & lines,impeller,etc.So I don't know about the sucking exhaust thing yet.BTW do you mind explaning what that does.I've only fooled with small motors.This is the first one with thru exh.thax

Exhaust and blades means less resistance and more rpm for a given throttle setting/boat attitude. High performance props, like several I had, deliberately drill holes in their props, near the front of each blade and slightly beneath it which is referred to as "porting". When the resistance to exhaust out the rear is high, like when you are executing a "hole shot" (coming up and onto plane from pretty much a dead stop) the exhaust that emanates through the holes flows across the blades and decreases the density of the water meaning it's easier for the prop to turn. This reduces the load on the engine and allows it to gain in rpm at a faster rate. Since hp is (torque x rpm)/5252, increasing the rpm increases the hp at the prop shaft and allows the hp to develop much faster which results in faster planing with a higher pitched prop than would otherwise be possible. Result is things like stern heavy bass boats, aka Bass Boats in particular, or any stern heavy boat adaptable to porting, can have their high pitched props for their WOT high speed thrills and still have a reasonable "hole shot"....2 props in 1.

On the flare and the ring, both were designed (opinion, not prop designer) to keep the action of the blades from sucking in exhaust at the rear of the exhaust tube which could produce undesired ventilation at a time when none was anticipated nor desired. Next time you are around an older engine without "thru prop exhaust" take a good look at the shape of the prop hub. Notice no long tube protruding from the center like on a thru prop. No reason for it. The other thing that I notice is the pitch of the props seems to be higher with thru hub because you have nice tube upon which to attach the blades. Obviously along with this comes higher gear ratios (larger numbers:1) since you don't get something for nothing, but you get better thrust (another opinion)........big mils pushing BBs excepted and the little 3 cyl Merc engines when they went to 3 cyl. loopers. On the loopers, OMC was turning large diameter props slower in the same hp range. Don't know why Merc decided on 10" diameter props on 60 hp engines. Seems OMC had the best thrust and around here they were the most popular (visual observation).

So I'm going to say that OMC didn't need the ring. Had they, I and probably a lot of other folks wouldn't have seen so many boats of the day without one, obviously the result of an impact. Around here water is man made lakes and in the man making, timber was cut and the stumps and the limb portions remained......the "firewood" was harvested all of which made for dangerous running for boats and folks.......in addition to the trees that were just left to rot and break off at the water line.

My 2c and hope it helps...I think I got the I's dotted and the T's crossed,
Mark
 
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dude11

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Wow,,I should say so..ton of info.As it stands now,after read your post,I doubt a 9.9 hp. would suffer without it.Thank you for sharing such a wealth of info.
 
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